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C8 Corvette making potential GT500 buyers rethink their options
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<blockquote data-quote="FordMoCo21" data-source="post: 16310313" data-attributes="member: 104388"><p>I will agree the 18-20 A10s are an anomaly as far as trap speeds, Motor Trend stated the A10 went 3mph faster than the manual. However that is not the norm when comparing manual to automatic same model cars. The C7ZR1 manual vs auto trap very similar, and do not have this huge leap the A10 Mustangs have between transmissions. Their A10 ratio tuning really is perfect for 1/4 mile. </p><p></p><p>The 2017 Ford GT trapped 130mph per Motor Trend, with its 7 speed DCT. That car makes 590ish whp, and weighs 3350lbs, you think the 13/14 GT500 would trap almost 130 with just a DCT, but that is impossible considering the Ford GT has the same rwhp, a DCT, weighs 450lbs less and barely breaks 130mph.</p><p></p><p>If GM was able to setup the ratios in a manner similar to the A10, so that it is practically an anomaly in 1/4 mile times/traps, then I can see a minimum of 500whp. A 3600lb 500whp car will normally trap 120+/-. So if the 500whp C8 would trap 120ish with a manual, and the new trans sees the same advantage as the A10 Mustangs, gaining it 3mph over the manual, there is the 123mph MT got. So that's more like 550+ crank not 600. Still pretty drastically underrated. </p><p></p><p>I understand the new DCT could potentially see an even bigger leap than the A10 Mustang to manual comparison, however, why would the new Ford GT, which presumably has a more advanced DCT than the new C8 not trap much higher than you would expect from a manual car with similar power:weight? Your typical GT500/Coyote boosted car that weighs 3600lbs/630ishwhp traps 130, same power:weight as new Ford GT, lacking the DCT, but traps similar. I believe your A10 Mustang comparison is more of an exception to the rule, not the rule. Even the 720s traps what it should based on power to weight, they are a **** ton underrated as well, 3100lb car, 690whp, traps 141(per Motor Trend, have to keep things apples to apples here, no hero runs), right on the money for power:weight and estimating trap speeds, and no advantage for its trans? I doubt it has a lacking non-manual trans, but it doesn't trap any higher than a manual car with that numbers would... The only other car that has a crazy advantage such as the A10 Mustang, is Porsches PDKs, they trap much higher than they should. I honestly doubt the new C8 will have a trans anywhere near that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FordMoCo21, post: 16310313, member: 104388"] I will agree the 18-20 A10s are an anomaly as far as trap speeds, Motor Trend stated the A10 went 3mph faster than the manual. However that is not the norm when comparing manual to automatic same model cars. The C7ZR1 manual vs auto trap very similar, and do not have this huge leap the A10 Mustangs have between transmissions. Their A10 ratio tuning really is perfect for 1/4 mile. The 2017 Ford GT trapped 130mph per Motor Trend, with its 7 speed DCT. That car makes 590ish whp, and weighs 3350lbs, you think the 13/14 GT500 would trap almost 130 with just a DCT, but that is impossible considering the Ford GT has the same rwhp, a DCT, weighs 450lbs less and barely breaks 130mph. If GM was able to setup the ratios in a manner similar to the A10, so that it is practically an anomaly in 1/4 mile times/traps, then I can see a minimum of 500whp. A 3600lb 500whp car will normally trap 120+/-. So if the 500whp C8 would trap 120ish with a manual, and the new trans sees the same advantage as the A10 Mustangs, gaining it 3mph over the manual, there is the 123mph MT got. So that's more like 550+ crank not 600. Still pretty drastically underrated. I understand the new DCT could potentially see an even bigger leap than the A10 Mustang to manual comparison, however, why would the new Ford GT, which presumably has a more advanced DCT than the new C8 not trap much higher than you would expect from a manual car with similar power:weight? Your typical GT500/Coyote boosted car that weighs 3600lbs/630ishwhp traps 130, same power:weight as new Ford GT, lacking the DCT, but traps similar. I believe your A10 Mustang comparison is more of an exception to the rule, not the rule. Even the 720s traps what it should based on power to weight, they are a **** ton underrated as well, 3100lb car, 690whp, traps 141(per Motor Trend, have to keep things apples to apples here, no hero runs), right on the money for power:weight and estimating trap speeds, and no advantage for its trans? I doubt it has a lacking non-manual trans, but it doesn't trap any higher than a manual car with that numbers would... The only other car that has a crazy advantage such as the A10 Mustang, is Porsches PDKs, they trap much higher than they should. I honestly doubt the new C8 will have a trans anywhere near that. [/QUOTE]
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