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EPA to Start Aggressively Enforcing Emission Defeat Devices
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<blockquote data-quote="Makobra" data-source="post: 16352764" data-attributes="member: 193575"><p>can the ATF require that all guns have an internet connection in order to be operational?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>and yet when I ask simple exploratory questions that expose the GAPING holes in this insane idea that cars should essentially be cell phones or else they are rendered inert nobody here seems to want to walk down the path of exploring these massive problems.</p><p></p><p>i'll try this again:</p><p></p><p>Q. if the car has a preset date where if not updated it will become inoperable at what point does that date get set?</p><p>A. it must NECESSARILY be set prior to the point where it expires, therefore, it is a timer that if not "reset" will make the car not work.</p><p></p><p>Q. would you buy a car that required an internet connection in order to maintain functionality?</p><p></p><p>Q. do you think most people would?</p><p></p><p>Q. do you think the guy in the middle of wyoming with no internet connection would?</p><p></p><p>Q. what effect do you think this would have on new sales?</p><p></p><p>Q. why not just buy old cars?</p><p></p><p>Q. even if you got this shit to market what's to stop me from hacking my way around it?</p><p></p><p>Q. Do you know the requirements necessary to ensure nobody is hacking their way around this?</p><p></p><p>you guys aren't asking these questions because most people don't think like this because most people don't do this for a living. that's fine but its like you're talking to a guy who builds planes, showing him an idea, he's telling you all the reason why that won't actually fly, and you're ignoring all of the massive problems because your plan is to drop it out of a C130 at 30 thousand feet. because you don't know shit about planes. well, this is a software problem (not even getting into the hardware requirements) whether you guys realize it or not and what you are proposing NECESSARILY REQUIRES a dead man's switch be installed in the cars from the factory.</p><p></p><p>now, would you buy a car with a timebomb that made it a brick if it went without internet connection long enough?</p><p></p><p>you think ford, chevy, dodge, toyota, honda, and all the other companies are just going to build something that would kill new sales and drive people to the used market?</p><p></p><p>none of you will answer these questions because like most people you don't see how the very premise requires the feature be invasive and a shitty user experience for many people.</p><p></p><p>FURTHERMORE, EPA can mandate emissions related things. it does not have the power to mandate all cars be manufactured with expiration dates that require internet connections in order to stay functional. that isn't in their purview, first of all.</p><p></p><p>TLDR: the EPA can't mandate that cars be phones and even if they did the resultant backlash would kill it before anyone built a single one of these monstrosities and even if that didn't happen the used market would boom, the new market would tank, causing the companies to give up, fight the epa, and then we'd get cars that aren't phones again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Makobra, post: 16352764, member: 193575"] can the ATF require that all guns have an internet connection in order to be operational? and yet when I ask simple exploratory questions that expose the GAPING holes in this insane idea that cars should essentially be cell phones or else they are rendered inert nobody here seems to want to walk down the path of exploring these massive problems. i'll try this again: Q. if the car has a preset date where if not updated it will become inoperable at what point does that date get set? A. it must NECESSARILY be set prior to the point where it expires, therefore, it is a timer that if not "reset" will make the car not work. Q. would you buy a car that required an internet connection in order to maintain functionality? Q. do you think most people would? Q. do you think the guy in the middle of wyoming with no internet connection would? Q. what effect do you think this would have on new sales? Q. why not just buy old cars? Q. even if you got this shit to market what's to stop me from hacking my way around it? Q. Do you know the requirements necessary to ensure nobody is hacking their way around this? you guys aren't asking these questions because most people don't think like this because most people don't do this for a living. that's fine but its like you're talking to a guy who builds planes, showing him an idea, he's telling you all the reason why that won't actually fly, and you're ignoring all of the massive problems because your plan is to drop it out of a C130 at 30 thousand feet. because you don't know shit about planes. well, this is a software problem (not even getting into the hardware requirements) whether you guys realize it or not and what you are proposing NECESSARILY REQUIRES a dead man's switch be installed in the cars from the factory. now, would you buy a car with a timebomb that made it a brick if it went without internet connection long enough? you think ford, chevy, dodge, toyota, honda, and all the other companies are just going to build something that would kill new sales and drive people to the used market? none of you will answer these questions because like most people you don't see how the very premise requires the feature be invasive and a shitty user experience for many people. FURTHERMORE, EPA can mandate emissions related things. it does not have the power to mandate all cars be manufactured with expiration dates that require internet connections in order to stay functional. that isn't in their purview, first of all. TLDR: the EPA can't mandate that cars be phones and even if they did the resultant backlash would kill it before anyone built a single one of these monstrosities and even if that didn't happen the used market would boom, the new market would tank, causing the companies to give up, fight the epa, and then we'd get cars that aren't phones again. [/QUOTE]
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