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Ford's 450HP 7.3L 'Godzilla' V8 | Inside Info & Spy Pics | Where's the Direct Injection?
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<blockquote data-quote="tt335ci03cobra" data-source="post: 16136739" data-attributes="member: 68944"><p>The more I’ve thought about it, at this stage, it makes sense to transition to a smaller easier packaged power dense engine. </p><p></p><p>The modular architecture is great, but it’s costly to produce and repair. Yes there is retooling or a drastic change was made from dohc to ohv, but on the other hand, gettin more power safely from 5L will be a big task. For truck applications, it’s very difficult as torque will go bye bye. </p><p></p><p>In mustang applications, boost. You’d be looking at factory boosted. There is slivers of hp available on the table, maybe 490-510hp na. Thing is it won’t be noticeable behind the wheel. </p><p></p><p>GM will come out with 475 and 500hp 6.2- 6.6L v8 variants (or whatever) of the camaro. If it’s $3-5k less than a mustang, and makes much more satisfying torque, people will be jumping ship.</p><p></p><p>Dodge is in a very unique position. They have the heaviest car, the least modern engine, the slowest lap times, but by far the most bravado. And they are firmly gaining on mustang sales.</p><p></p><p>I think ford could go very modern ohv v8’s from 5.8L to 7L with an durable aluminum fill of the iron mold and have a hell of an engine for mustang use. Next gen.</p><p></p><p>Sound crazy, but:</p><p>•shorter, narrower, smaller engine. You can have a smaller front end and position the front geometry even more optimally. </p><p>•this can cut back weight and more importantly drag coefficient. Helps everything. </p><p>•lower center of gravity, lower polar yaw, easier to recess the engine rearward. Easier to figure out packaging.</p><p></p><p>The mustang needs to address weight and size. </p><p></p><p>The other option is a very sophisticated sohc conversion of these new bigger engines that physically fits the size of the current engine bay, but operates on very large valves for great breathing as well as 6-7L instead of very strung 5L design.</p><p></p><p>I’m no engineer and even still I realize how costly such a switch would be. I do realize though that a huge hole currently exists in the mustang line up. Entry v8 ala charger/challenger R/T. </p><p></p><p>Ecoboost is 310hp, $~26k. Gt is 460hp $~37k. New 2018 Mustang gt’s have $2-5k write downs, and LOTS of bad press about engine failures. The more high strung an engine is, easier it fails. Physics.</p><p></p><p>So: how about a Mustang LX at $32k starting. 390hp/390tq 5.8L V8. Just enough to touch high 12’s with the manual in perfect hands and mid high 12’s with the 10a. Pipe dream sure, but kids buy up pipe dreams, adults put them off until they hit mid life crises. </p><p></p><p>Convincing a 20-something to drop 40-50g’s on a pretty nice mustang gt isn’t an easy sale. Offer them about 400hp and low $30’s, that’s $500 a month for the freedom and expression of a mustang with v8 power. Dealer incentives could see 10-15,000 extra mustangs sold for high $27-29k with ease. The engine is $1500 cheaper to produce. Why struggle to move a 460hp car at low 30 tip top 29k that sits on lot 8months and costs more to produce? </p><p></p><p>Volume builds profits. Kia stinger, Hyundai whatever rwd thing, CHALLENGER, CAMARO are catching up market share.</p><p></p><p>Offer this with a boss pack (sounds way better than performance package)</p><p></p><p>5.8L (351) 400hp $32k to $45k loaded up </p><p>6.4L (390) 475hp $39k to $55k loaded up</p><p>7.1L (429) 550hp $60-75k loaded up.</p><p></p><p>Supercharge the 7.1 for a cobrajet 428 making easy 825hp pretty damn reliably. Sleeve it a hair to have 428 or whatever. Even if you left it a 429 who would care.</p><p></p><p>Pipe dream stuff sure but what’s the alternative?</p><p></p><p>$33k ttv6 ecoboost mustang with 370hp and 480tq? Ok. It would cannibalize and hurt sales. </p><p></p><p>5.2L gt with 500hp? Ok, the 5.0 is currently very revvy and fun but also experiencing engine failures now much more so than ever before. There isn’t a 100,000 mile safe 5.0L 500hp recipe on this architecture. The brand gets hurt by the fails and the lack of torque isn’t a selling point compared to a hellcat or camaro. Keep in mind that 485 scat pack challengers a8 are running 12.1/12.0@117+. Yes the gt a10 runs an 11.8 in perfect conditions, but for a daily driver, the challenger is a great car. That’s why it’s caught way up in sales. It’s leap frogged the camaro.</p><p></p><p>I’m not saying I’m right or have it perfect, I’m just saying the mustang is at an inflection point where it either moves away from affordable and leaves a huge void in fords $30k offering, or they get another 5-10 years of incredibly strong sales out of the mustang. </p><p></p><p>Gut hunch, I think tens of thousands of people would buy a low to mid $30k 400hp v8 mustang in today’s cheap gas environment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tt335ci03cobra, post: 16136739, member: 68944"] The more I’ve thought about it, at this stage, it makes sense to transition to a smaller easier packaged power dense engine. The modular architecture is great, but it’s costly to produce and repair. Yes there is retooling or a drastic change was made from dohc to ohv, but on the other hand, gettin more power safely from 5L will be a big task. For truck applications, it’s very difficult as torque will go bye bye. In mustang applications, boost. You’d be looking at factory boosted. There is slivers of hp available on the table, maybe 490-510hp na. Thing is it won’t be noticeable behind the wheel. GM will come out with 475 and 500hp 6.2- 6.6L v8 variants (or whatever) of the camaro. If it’s $3-5k less than a mustang, and makes much more satisfying torque, people will be jumping ship. Dodge is in a very unique position. They have the heaviest car, the least modern engine, the slowest lap times, but by far the most bravado. And they are firmly gaining on mustang sales. I think ford could go very modern ohv v8’s from 5.8L to 7L with an durable aluminum fill of the iron mold and have a hell of an engine for mustang use. Next gen. Sound crazy, but: •shorter, narrower, smaller engine. You can have a smaller front end and position the front geometry even more optimally. •this can cut back weight and more importantly drag coefficient. Helps everything. •lower center of gravity, lower polar yaw, easier to recess the engine rearward. Easier to figure out packaging. The mustang needs to address weight and size. The other option is a very sophisticated sohc conversion of these new bigger engines that physically fits the size of the current engine bay, but operates on very large valves for great breathing as well as 6-7L instead of very strung 5L design. I’m no engineer and even still I realize how costly such a switch would be. I do realize though that a huge hole currently exists in the mustang line up. Entry v8 ala charger/challenger R/T. Ecoboost is 310hp, $~26k. Gt is 460hp $~37k. New 2018 Mustang gt’s have $2-5k write downs, and LOTS of bad press about engine failures. The more high strung an engine is, easier it fails. Physics. So: how about a Mustang LX at $32k starting. 390hp/390tq 5.8L V8. Just enough to touch high 12’s with the manual in perfect hands and mid high 12’s with the 10a. Pipe dream sure, but kids buy up pipe dreams, adults put them off until they hit mid life crises. Convincing a 20-something to drop 40-50g’s on a pretty nice mustang gt isn’t an easy sale. Offer them about 400hp and low $30’s, that’s $500 a month for the freedom and expression of a mustang with v8 power. Dealer incentives could see 10-15,000 extra mustangs sold for high $27-29k with ease. The engine is $1500 cheaper to produce. Why struggle to move a 460hp car at low 30 tip top 29k that sits on lot 8months and costs more to produce? Volume builds profits. Kia stinger, Hyundai whatever rwd thing, CHALLENGER, CAMARO are catching up market share. Offer this with a boss pack (sounds way better than performance package) 5.8L (351) 400hp $32k to $45k loaded up 6.4L (390) 475hp $39k to $55k loaded up 7.1L (429) 550hp $60-75k loaded up. Supercharge the 7.1 for a cobrajet 428 making easy 825hp pretty damn reliably. Sleeve it a hair to have 428 or whatever. Even if you left it a 429 who would care. Pipe dream stuff sure but what’s the alternative? $33k ttv6 ecoboost mustang with 370hp and 480tq? Ok. It would cannibalize and hurt sales. 5.2L gt with 500hp? Ok, the 5.0 is currently very revvy and fun but also experiencing engine failures now much more so than ever before. There isn’t a 100,000 mile safe 5.0L 500hp recipe on this architecture. The brand gets hurt by the fails and the lack of torque isn’t a selling point compared to a hellcat or camaro. Keep in mind that 485 scat pack challengers a8 are running 12.1/12.0@117+. Yes the gt a10 runs an 11.8 in perfect conditions, but for a daily driver, the challenger is a great car. That’s why it’s caught way up in sales. It’s leap frogged the camaro. I’m not saying I’m right or have it perfect, I’m just saying the mustang is at an inflection point where it either moves away from affordable and leaves a huge void in fords $30k offering, or they get another 5-10 years of incredibly strong sales out of the mustang. Gut hunch, I think tens of thousands of people would buy a low to mid $30k 400hp v8 mustang in today’s cheap gas environment. [/QUOTE]
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