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<blockquote data-quote="ac427cobra" data-source="post: 6023382" data-attributes="member: 6247"><p>I agree on this 100%. Everybody has a different feel as to what they want the car to feel like. One person is more comfortable in a tighter car (something I never understood, but have learned to accept) and the next person wants a loose car. (something I prefer) I prefer loose because I feel you can control loose a lot more than you can control tight. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Brian, this is something you should be used to by now. Ever since there has been performance cars, car enthusiasts and car magazines comparing all of these vehicles, there will be people comparing car performance. Since the sixties (perhaps even earlier than that because that's when I started reading Hot Rod, Car Craft, Motor Trend, Road & Track etc. etc.) cars have been reviewed by car magazines. They run 0-60, 1/4 mi, 0-100, 60-0, 100-0, lap times at Laguna or Infineon etc, etc, It doesn't matter if it's a 2 door sports car like a Porsche or a four door like a Marauder or even a station wagon like a Subaru. Some cars cost $15,000, some cost $100,000 and some cost $1,000,000 and more. ALL of these cars, their cost, HP, price, and performance numbers are all listed in the back of the magazine that they have tested. These cars are so dissimilar it's not even funny. :read: Imagine a $15,000 car listed on the same page as the Enzo! And now the "Magazine Racers" have the internet to argue these facts adnauseum! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Here's a typical scenario for you. Fred has a single buddy George that just bought a Lotus Elise for open track and driving school events. Fred's wife is expecting a baby so his wife is only going to accept a four door car. So Fred is hoping to talk her into buying a Subaru WRX STI because he read in the magazine that the Suby is only one second behind the Elise in lap times at Watkins Glen. He figures he can make up that second in driver skill because George used to drive a Corvette and he knows he's slow! ;-) How different could these two vehicles possibly be?! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Jimmy:</p><p></p><p>EVERY time you go the the track you should learn something. Whether it's riding with other friends, talking to some fast guys, getting a tip from someone you saw go through a particular turn fast or whatever it might be. </p><p></p><p>One thing I really like about the BMW Club events I instruct at is they bring in a guest for the weekend. They are typically professional racers or retired professional racers. Instructors get his services on Friday (instructors day) and they are usually available for rides and drives. He gives us a lunch talk that is invariably hugely insightful. They also talk to students for selected classroom sessions on the weekend. I like to sit in on those sessions as well for a couple of reasons. The main reason is so I know what they learned in class so I can cover those areas on track. But the selfish reason is to pick up tid-bits of information I've never heard from anyone else. </p><p></p><p>The time the Windy City BMW Club had Ross Bently redo the student curriculum was a fantastic experience. Not only is he a great driver and racer he is remarkable at communicating the finer points of driving. </p><p></p><p>Not to mention the fact that we have all of the instructors we can ride with as well. Granted 80% or 90% of them are relatively slow but I've found even the slow guys can offer something as far as tips. Of course the fast guys give you the go fast tips. AND they are more fun to ride with! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />epper:</p><p></p><p>Ok, enough rambling for one night! :rollseyes</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ac427cobra, post: 6023382, member: 6247"] I agree on this 100%. Everybody has a different feel as to what they want the car to feel like. One person is more comfortable in a tighter car (something I never understood, but have learned to accept) and the next person wants a loose car. (something I prefer) I prefer loose because I feel you can control loose a lot more than you can control tight. Brian, this is something you should be used to by now. Ever since there has been performance cars, car enthusiasts and car magazines comparing all of these vehicles, there will be people comparing car performance. Since the sixties (perhaps even earlier than that because that's when I started reading Hot Rod, Car Craft, Motor Trend, Road & Track etc. etc.) cars have been reviewed by car magazines. They run 0-60, 1/4 mi, 0-100, 60-0, 100-0, lap times at Laguna or Infineon etc, etc, It doesn't matter if it's a 2 door sports car like a Porsche or a four door like a Marauder or even a station wagon like a Subaru. Some cars cost $15,000, some cost $100,000 and some cost $1,000,000 and more. ALL of these cars, their cost, HP, price, and performance numbers are all listed in the back of the magazine that they have tested. These cars are so dissimilar it's not even funny. :read: Imagine a $15,000 car listed on the same page as the Enzo! And now the "Magazine Racers" have the internet to argue these facts adnauseum! :( Here's a typical scenario for you. Fred has a single buddy George that just bought a Lotus Elise for open track and driving school events. Fred's wife is expecting a baby so his wife is only going to accept a four door car. So Fred is hoping to talk her into buying a Subaru WRX STI because he read in the magazine that the Suby is only one second behind the Elise in lap times at Watkins Glen. He figures he can make up that second in driver skill because George used to drive a Corvette and he knows he's slow! ;-) How different could these two vehicles possibly be?! Jimmy: EVERY time you go the the track you should learn something. Whether it's riding with other friends, talking to some fast guys, getting a tip from someone you saw go through a particular turn fast or whatever it might be. One thing I really like about the BMW Club events I instruct at is they bring in a guest for the weekend. They are typically professional racers or retired professional racers. Instructors get his services on Friday (instructors day) and they are usually available for rides and drives. He gives us a lunch talk that is invariably hugely insightful. They also talk to students for selected classroom sessions on the weekend. I like to sit in on those sessions as well for a couple of reasons. The main reason is so I know what they learned in class so I can cover those areas on track. But the selfish reason is to pick up tid-bits of information I've never heard from anyone else. The time the Windy City BMW Club had Ross Bently redo the student curriculum was a fantastic experience. Not only is he a great driver and racer he is remarkable at communicating the finer points of driving. Not to mention the fact that we have all of the instructors we can ride with as well. Granted 80% or 90% of them are relatively slow but I've found even the slow guys can offer something as far as tips. Of course the fast guys give you the go fast tips. AND they are more fun to ride with! :pepper: Ok, enough rambling for one night! :rollseyes [/QUOTE]
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