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<blockquote data-quote="yngrshr" data-source="post: 14148741" data-attributes="member: 153093"><p>Their secret sauce is Russian dressing and a few additives.</p><p></p><p>Russian dressing is their base tune. Stealing Russian dressing and using it on other burgers is a solid idea since it <em>generally</em> works. But just because it works doesn't mean it's going to be the perfect sauce for every burger. You need to add more salt, add more vinegar, etc. Every tuner thinks that they are a special snowflake but the reality is that most tunes are fairly similar. There is only so much you can do that is truly different on a tune than the other top guys are doing. </p><p></p><p>Even if someone is going to steal a tune, if he's a horrible tuner, the car he copy pastes it onto isn't going to run ideal unless he actually knows what he's doing since not every car is the same. We ran a canned tune on my G8 just to see how it would be when my old tuner was testing it out. Ran great on another stock G8 and ran pretty bad on mine. Since he is one of the best in the business, he adjusted it. The guys that steal shit won't be able to do that. And that's why "litigating" this stuff in the public forum is better for everyone than locking stuff down so no one can see it. Also, every guy I know who "fixed" someone elses tune generally just got rid of the entire old tune since it was normally trash. </p><p></p><p>The other thing is, I also want to adjust my tune at the track. Quite often. What if I need to detune my car because I am running sub 11.5s and want to run a consistent 11.6 that day? Can't do it with a locked tune. What if I am running a taller DR and need to change the tire size? Can't do it with a locked tune. What if something is incredibly ****ed up on the tune that wasn't found out right away and I want to, say, add fuel on the fly? Can't do it on a locked tune. Having a locked tune means I need to wait around for the tuner to get to my problem when I need my problem fixed right away. Some tuners are great at getting back to you (Justin at VMP has been very quick with adjustments for my blower). Some guys are notoriously slow. I wouldn't want to take the chance that I can't edit something that needs to be fixed. And this has happened to me when we were trying to get my stall converter dialed in with my last car. It needed to be changed quite a bit on the fly and luckily we could get into the file to fix the issues and change what needed to be changed. </p><p></p><p>I understand the reasoning behind locking something. I get it. But having every tune unlocked hasn't stopped GM tuners from making money and selling tunes. It won't stop Ford guys from doing the same thing. There are a plethora of reasons that locked tunes are bad for the consumer. It's why they don't fly in the GM community and why I think that having HPTuners for Fords, finally, will finally end that trend here, too. You end up with guys that refuse to buy tunes from guys that lock them. At the end of the day, what's good for the consumer will win out. I have a feeling that as HPTuners grows, locked tunes will diminish greatly just like it has in the GM world. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, posts like this are part of the problem. The acceptance of locked tunes from some consumers ridiculous and the lack of acceptance is part of why the GM community HAS everything unlocked. There is simply no acceptance of locked tunes (like I wrote above, unless it's some insane proprietary motor build or something). I take it you are comfortable not knowing what goes on in your tune. That's not what I'd prefer. There's a reason that very few people agree with you. We want more transparency. Not less.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yngrshr, post: 14148741, member: 153093"] Their secret sauce is Russian dressing and a few additives. Russian dressing is their base tune. Stealing Russian dressing and using it on other burgers is a solid idea since it [I]generally[/I] works. But just because it works doesn't mean it's going to be the perfect sauce for every burger. You need to add more salt, add more vinegar, etc. Every tuner thinks that they are a special snowflake but the reality is that most tunes are fairly similar. There is only so much you can do that is truly different on a tune than the other top guys are doing. Even if someone is going to steal a tune, if he's a horrible tuner, the car he copy pastes it onto isn't going to run ideal unless he actually knows what he's doing since not every car is the same. We ran a canned tune on my G8 just to see how it would be when my old tuner was testing it out. Ran great on another stock G8 and ran pretty bad on mine. Since he is one of the best in the business, he adjusted it. The guys that steal shit won't be able to do that. And that's why "litigating" this stuff in the public forum is better for everyone than locking stuff down so no one can see it. Also, every guy I know who "fixed" someone elses tune generally just got rid of the entire old tune since it was normally trash. The other thing is, I also want to adjust my tune at the track. Quite often. What if I need to detune my car because I am running sub 11.5s and want to run a consistent 11.6 that day? Can't do it with a locked tune. What if I am running a taller DR and need to change the tire size? Can't do it with a locked tune. What if something is incredibly ****ed up on the tune that wasn't found out right away and I want to, say, add fuel on the fly? Can't do it on a locked tune. Having a locked tune means I need to wait around for the tuner to get to my problem when I need my problem fixed right away. Some tuners are great at getting back to you (Justin at VMP has been very quick with adjustments for my blower). Some guys are notoriously slow. I wouldn't want to take the chance that I can't edit something that needs to be fixed. And this has happened to me when we were trying to get my stall converter dialed in with my last car. It needed to be changed quite a bit on the fly and luckily we could get into the file to fix the issues and change what needed to be changed. I understand the reasoning behind locking something. I get it. But having every tune unlocked hasn't stopped GM tuners from making money and selling tunes. It won't stop Ford guys from doing the same thing. There are a plethora of reasons that locked tunes are bad for the consumer. It's why they don't fly in the GM community and why I think that having HPTuners for Fords, finally, will finally end that trend here, too. You end up with guys that refuse to buy tunes from guys that lock them. At the end of the day, what's good for the consumer will win out. I have a feeling that as HPTuners grows, locked tunes will diminish greatly just like it has in the GM world. See, posts like this are part of the problem. The acceptance of locked tunes from some consumers ridiculous and the lack of acceptance is part of why the GM community HAS everything unlocked. There is simply no acceptance of locked tunes (like I wrote above, unless it's some insane proprietary motor build or something). I take it you are comfortable not knowing what goes on in your tune. That's not what I'd prefer. There's a reason that very few people agree with you. We want more transparency. Not less. [/QUOTE]
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