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It's Official! 2020 GT500 Makes 760HP
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<blockquote data-quote="tt335ci03cobra" data-source="post: 16309731" data-attributes="member: 68944"><p>I prefer the c7 zr1 to the new gt500 so good buy and I agree the manual should keep value. Ya the auto is faster but when you work and save $125k for a car, it’s fun to drive the damn thing. I’m not over defending the gt500. It’s already showing to run fine. The passes at gratten show that. I was on the fence until I saw those laps. Fords marketing department is at the least, neglecting to make buzz imo. I’d market the car much differently.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the terminator,</p><p></p><p>When the terminator came out it shat on c5 z’s with just a pulley and bolt ons. Comparing the 2003/04 terminator to the 2007+ c6z is fair game considering how much of an ass kicking the $35k cobra’s with $500 of parts put on the then $54k z06’s. Since those c5 z’s were dead on arrival, it was fair to compare the then new $65k+ 2007 c6z against a 3-4 year old bolt on cobra and hopefully beat it since the Chevy owners had so much ass hurt from their c5 z’s getting eaten up. The 2003 cobra couldn’t stand on the totem forever just like the grand national gnx couldn’t either, and the 2007 gt500 nodded or stock with their weight, and boxy aero were proving to be easy pickings for z06’s. Easier than pulley cobra’s.</p><p></p><p>Guys started putting whipples and kennybells on cobra’s to stay relevant, and started eating up c6z’s so c6z guys started putting h/c/i on their brittle thin ls7’s (I never got the ls7 hype. The na 6.4 hemi makes 485hp for far less money. Ls7’s were selling for $25k crate engine and I would laugh back then.) and started blowing up the na mills with barely 650whp which was funny to watch as guys with these $65-80k cars were dumping $10k to essentially do what pushrod 5.0 guys were doing for $3-5k in the 80’s and 90’s (h/c/i for an extra 150-200whp albeit 400whp vs 650whp admittedly, but also $15k 5.0 making 400whp more reliably for $3-5k vs a $65-80k z06 pickin up similar gains for $5-10k+ and blowing up far more often there after.)</p><p></p><p>The funny thing is I am on the fence of buying a clean stock c6z or c8 z51 in a few years as a daily so I’m no corvette hater. I might even buy a c5z as a fun toy between now and then. I like pushrods, and corvettes so don’t get bent up on my straight shooting. I call it as I see it. I wouldn’t do hci on an ls7. I’ve seen 7/8 blow up that did so here. Maybe it’s mountain air but they went pop.</p><p></p><p>You’re mixing up a lot of what was discussed regarding weight for the gt500.vvvvvvvvvv</p><p></p><p>When I said you can pull out 500lbs from a gt500 easy, it was in context of stripping the interior, trunk, a/c, electronics and comforts to make a club racer as [USER=138337]@13COBRA[/USER] and his car groups do to expensive cars for hotlapping and track toying. His exact words were imagine what it will do stripped out. Pulling the interior and trunk and electronics from a gt500 and putting in a single sparco, toggle switches and a minimal cage is a pretty easy 1-2 day job and worth at least 500 lbs. That was the point and unless you forgot, it was a straight and simple point at that time.</p><p></p><p>Ford isn’t going to put a shitbox interior on the market for $75-110k unless the buyer is buying something like a gt350rc or similar race/track setup that will rarely if ever see the street.</p><p></p><p>Ford got the gt500 to about 4070-4150lbs depending on options. Considering the trans, blower, brakes, coolers, and aero are minimum 350lbs, they actually found places to drop weight.</p><p></p><p>Add up everything added to the gt500</p><p>•16” brakes front, (13” or 14” rear?)</p><p>•blower and many coolers</p><p>•wider front track, fenders.</p><p>•305/35/20 wheels to clear brakes</p><p>•aero both carbon and base package</p><p>•new front suspension and cradle (dropped weight)</p><p>•dct 7spd.</p><p>•larger exhaust</p><p>•9qt oil system</p><p>•bigger bars/heavier springs/beefier knuckles, hubs and spindles</p><p></p><p>It’s not like ford just put a 350lbs ball of lead in the back seat.</p><p></p><p>My point in bringing up the terminator stands. Just like that car with its 3620lbs easily shed its weight and performed excellent for its weight, (so damn heavy for 2003.) this car at 4070-4150lbs will shed it’s weight easily.</p><p></p><p>Again congrats on the manual c7 zr1, I’d buy one if I had the cash. It shits on the Ferrari 812 superfast and should shit on the new gt500. It’s exeptionally done, and imo has a really awesome look. It is very similar to the c7r in appearance. Enjoy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tt335ci03cobra, post: 16309731, member: 68944"] I prefer the c7 zr1 to the new gt500 so good buy and I agree the manual should keep value. Ya the auto is faster but when you work and save $125k for a car, it’s fun to drive the damn thing. I’m not over defending the gt500. It’s already showing to run fine. The passes at gratten show that. I was on the fence until I saw those laps. Fords marketing department is at the least, neglecting to make buzz imo. I’d market the car much differently. Regarding the terminator, When the terminator came out it shat on c5 z’s with just a pulley and bolt ons. Comparing the 2003/04 terminator to the 2007+ c6z is fair game considering how much of an ass kicking the $35k cobra’s with $500 of parts put on the then $54k z06’s. Since those c5 z’s were dead on arrival, it was fair to compare the then new $65k+ 2007 c6z against a 3-4 year old bolt on cobra and hopefully beat it since the Chevy owners had so much ass hurt from their c5 z’s getting eaten up. The 2003 cobra couldn’t stand on the totem forever just like the grand national gnx couldn’t either, and the 2007 gt500 nodded or stock with their weight, and boxy aero were proving to be easy pickings for z06’s. Easier than pulley cobra’s. Guys started putting whipples and kennybells on cobra’s to stay relevant, and started eating up c6z’s so c6z guys started putting h/c/i on their brittle thin ls7’s (I never got the ls7 hype. The na 6.4 hemi makes 485hp for far less money. Ls7’s were selling for $25k crate engine and I would laugh back then.) and started blowing up the na mills with barely 650whp which was funny to watch as guys with these $65-80k cars were dumping $10k to essentially do what pushrod 5.0 guys were doing for $3-5k in the 80’s and 90’s (h/c/i for an extra 150-200whp albeit 400whp vs 650whp admittedly, but also $15k 5.0 making 400whp more reliably for $3-5k vs a $65-80k z06 pickin up similar gains for $5-10k+ and blowing up far more often there after.) The funny thing is I am on the fence of buying a clean stock c6z or c8 z51 in a few years as a daily so I’m no corvette hater. I might even buy a c5z as a fun toy between now and then. I like pushrods, and corvettes so don’t get bent up on my straight shooting. I call it as I see it. I wouldn’t do hci on an ls7. I’ve seen 7/8 blow up that did so here. Maybe it’s mountain air but they went pop. You’re mixing up a lot of what was discussed regarding weight for the gt500.vvvvvvvvvv When I said you can pull out 500lbs from a gt500 easy, it was in context of stripping the interior, trunk, a/c, electronics and comforts to make a club racer as [USER=138337]@13COBRA[/USER] and his car groups do to expensive cars for hotlapping and track toying. His exact words were imagine what it will do stripped out. Pulling the interior and trunk and electronics from a gt500 and putting in a single sparco, toggle switches and a minimal cage is a pretty easy 1-2 day job and worth at least 500 lbs. That was the point and unless you forgot, it was a straight and simple point at that time. Ford isn’t going to put a shitbox interior on the market for $75-110k unless the buyer is buying something like a gt350rc or similar race/track setup that will rarely if ever see the street. Ford got the gt500 to about 4070-4150lbs depending on options. Considering the trans, blower, brakes, coolers, and aero are minimum 350lbs, they actually found places to drop weight. Add up everything added to the gt500 •16” brakes front, (13” or 14” rear?) •blower and many coolers •wider front track, fenders. •305/35/20 wheels to clear brakes •aero both carbon and base package •new front suspension and cradle (dropped weight) •dct 7spd. •larger exhaust •9qt oil system •bigger bars/heavier springs/beefier knuckles, hubs and spindles It’s not like ford just put a 350lbs ball of lead in the back seat. My point in bringing up the terminator stands. Just like that car with its 3620lbs easily shed its weight and performed excellent for its weight, (so damn heavy for 2003.) this car at 4070-4150lbs will shed it’s weight easily. Again congrats on the manual c7 zr1, I’d buy one if I had the cash. It shits on the Ferrari 812 superfast and should shit on the new gt500. It’s exeptionally done, and imo has a really awesome look. It is very similar to the c7r in appearance. Enjoy. [/QUOTE]
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