I want 14" brakes, I don't want 18" wheels..

[Jimmysidecarr]

OK so what if I want 14" brakes, but I don't want 18" wheels.. So should I just start crying now?
WARNING BRAKE PORN CONTENT!!

Impossible? Can't be done? You are a CRAZY MAN!

Maybe.. Maybe not.

This is most definitely not a photo shop.

That's right, that is a 4 piston Roush/Alcon 14" Big Brake set up squeezed inside a 17" genuine FRPP R58 95R wheel!!! No grinding, just stick on wheel weights removed... yes it's that close.

Do you realize the implications of this finding?
Well I do, and I can tell you that although 18s are all the rage today in the Cobra wheel fashion world, THEY ARE NOT CHEAP!!! Neither are the tires! I have been pricing both.
Then there is the issue of rotating weight!!! OMG! In order to acquire an 18" wheel that isn't pushing 30 pounds, you have to drop some serious ching!

These wheels I already own, win #!
These wheels weigh 23 pounds, win#2
no need to buy new tires either, win#3
Although everyone says they are old school and totally played out, they are the elusive, unobtainable wheel dream formula, which is LIGHT, STRONG, and CHEAP!!! OK maybe not all that light, but definitely track proven and readily available if barfed. WIN #4

Here's the question:

Who among us is currently running a BIG BRAKE kit inside a 17" wheel?
How do you like it?
Which wheels did you use?( I hear CCWs clear w/ a spacer in some cases)
Did you track with them?
Which caliper and rotor combo is it?
(Trackers)Did your pad and rotor life get extended?(I am using up pads and cracking rotors more rapidly that I would like)

More brake porn:

A Baer 6 piston 13.5" kit inside an R58!

A Baer/Alcon 4 piston 14" inside an R58:

A Roush/Alcon 4 piston 14" inside an R58:

The Baer/Alcon caliper & rotor alone:

Clearance:

Clearance:

I am posting this here in Roadside( at 2:23 in the AM..LOL!:bash because I would like some feed back on this and there is just a tad more traffic here than the Open Track forum, though I'll post it there too. http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...2-i-want-14-brakes-i-dont-want-18-wheels.html

Go easy on the R58 hating.:dw:

 

[Fox-4]

Wow, that is a close fit.

 

[07COBRAVENOM]

Looks like sex!!!!!!!!!

although i do love my brembos sitting inside my cervini's 20" rims the thought of having a brake kit that close to the rim just looks appetizing!

 

[Jimmysidecarr]

Looks like sex!!!!!!!!!

although i do love my brembos sitting inside my cervini's 20" rims the thought of having a brake kit that close to the rim just looks appetizing!

And let's not forget about LIGHTER and way cheaper!:dancenana:



I love the dance nana :dancenana::dancenana::dancenana:

 

[My Cobra]

Looks sweet. That is real close. Did not think it could be done.

 

[Mr. Mach-ete]

I ran 14" cross drilled Brembo Cobra R 4 piston breaks inside 17" chrome 95 cobra R wheels. They were indeed close to the inside wall of the wheels, I'd say 3/8/ to 1/2 of an inch. The inner spoke of the wheel cleared the outer surface of the break piston within a 1/4 inch. Man I miss that car. The only other wheel that would clear the break set up I had that I knew of was the 2000 Cobra R Wheels.

 

[bwahl602]

well it seems like you already have the kit... or are these pics from other cars??

get to on3performance.com, they have roush alcon 14inch kits and they only have a few left. From what ive been told, the roush alcon has been discontinued, but you can still get pads. They have the kit for like 1100 bux for the front 14 and rear 13inch kits

18inch wheels arent that expensive. Its really not a huge difference. Yea its a little more, and 18inch wheels have their pros and cons. I have driven on both 18' and 17's. Although most people complain about 18s wanting to pull with the road surface, i think this is a fixable issue. I have noticed some pulling as well, but i think that once the car is properly aligned and bumpsteered that it will be minimal. The 17 inch wheels seemed to have noticeably less steering sharpness. The low profile rigid sidewall of the 18inch tires definatley gives you sharp steering input.
For minimal cost over 17's, the 18 inch steering sharpness and looks is worth it in my opinion. Tire cost isnt really that much more. 19inch wheels is where the cost really jumps a lot. Plus, if you ever decide to change brake kits, you will have to do it then.

On the weight issue. it is true that 18s weigh more.. i think my fr500s come in around 28 lbs each. The big money wheels like TF and BBS are in the 20-25lb range.
However, if your really worried about rotational mass, the 14inch brake kit probably isnt necessary. An 00R caliper on a 2 piece lightweight 13inch rotor will be your best bet

Now most of the information is for a street car.. If your doing this for a track car than i totally agree. 2 piece 14 inch rotors will weigh as much as a stock 13inch rotor. Id still run the 00R kit though because that would allow me to run the Enkei lightweight wheels that come in around 16lbs in 17inch form.

For street form, i deal with the weight of the 18s because of their great looks..

 

[Jimmysidecarr]

Nope.. not my car.
I am currently running the CobraR/Focus RS(silver) Brembo 4 piston for the 1.1" thick 13" stock Brembo rotors.
Yes I do track my 3900+ pound car.

I investigated the use of the Cobra R caliper with a 14" GT500 rotor and found that even if I could make adapters for the diameter increase, they are too narrow for the 1.125" GT500 Brembo rotors.

If someone is using a 14" 1.1" rotor with the Y2KR caliper it must be some kind of custom rotor, perhaps a 2 piece from Coleman or similar.

Chances are if someone is running a Cobra R Brembo caliper is is most likely mated with a 13" OEM Brembo that it was built with.( what I have now)

(EDIT)The STAGE3performance kits are exactly what I am looking at as well as Baer.
Continued serviceability is important to me so I'm checking all my possibilities before jumping on the Roush/Alcons.

Not having to buy any wheels at all, is way cheaper than buying 2 sets of 18" wheels and tires, and then trying to sell 2 sets of 17s.

The main reason why I'm looking at doing this, is to reduce my expendables expenses.
Now that my driving has improved some I am beginning to heat crack rotors and use up pads at a faster pace... it's a heavy car.

The street tire cost I guess we will have to disagree on, the tires that I run are between 40 and 50 dollars more for the 18" version.

Although I was surprised to see that on the Kumho 710s the 18s are actually about 30 bucks cheaper!

But I normally run used scrubs on my race rubber, I'll have to keep an eye on that.:dw:

I also was looking at those 16 pound Enkei wheels. Wow! that would be awesome, I'm just afraid I might bend them up bouncing the off burms and rumble strips that tracks use to keep you from using up more track than what's there. The 95Rs are proven tough, think NASA AI and AIX.

Thanks for the input guys I really do appreciate it!:rockon::beer:

 

[MachME]

how expensive are all these kits? one time i looked up Roush/Alcon and about shit myself.

even a cobra r kit (which i read is the biggest you can fit in 03 cobra wheels until this thread) is like 1200 new for front kit only (something like that)

 

[Gringo185]

Thanks for the info Jimmy. :beer:

Will these kits fit under '98 Cobra wheels?

 

[Jimmysidecarr]

how expensive are all these kits? one time i looked up Roush/Alcon and about shit myself.

even a cobra r kit (which i read is the biggest you can fit in 03 cobra wheels until this thread) is like 1200 new for front kit only (something like that)

STAGE3performance is where the most competitive Roush/Alcons can be found.(as far as I know now)
They are only around 1100 dollars for fronts with rotors. That is a SICK deal! Alcon are normally very expensive full boogie racing brakes. That kit has Baer rotors which helps keep the price lower.
1999-04 Mustang GT Roush Alcon Front Brake Kit

Baer seems to be a call for pricing deal and I don't want drilled, so I'll definitely have to call them.

03/04 wheels don't fit. They have a narrowing in the rim near the spokes that the 95R does not.

 

[Jimmysidecarr]

Thanks for the info Jimmy. :beer:

Will these kits fit under '98 Cobra wheels?

Believe it or not I'm pretty sure they do. (EDIT!!! MAYBE NOT! UNKNOWN!!)

 

[THE_STIG]

Brakes for 99-04 are so cheap compared to 05-09, bastards......

 

[Gringo185]

Believe it or not I'm pretty sure they do.

Do want.

 

[greengt88]

anyone considered jsut running gt-500 brakes, wheels and tires. i know the name of the game is staying 17" though. that was probably gonna be my plan. u need to use the kit from vintage venom to do it though. there may be clearance issues.

 

[Jimmysidecarr]

Brakes for 99-04 are so cheap compared to 05-09, bastards......

I am afraid though that this is a very temporary situation and that possibly before I am back to work these deals may be over.

Excellent brakes cost money. The GT500 set up is a kick ass brake! I have not heard about guys cracking them yet.

 

[Never_Enough]

I want big brakes, but am waiting till I make her faster 1st. Your pics make me not want to wait. Damn you.

 

[Jimmysidecarr]

I want big brakes, but am waiting till I make her faster 1st. Your pics make me not want to wait. Damn you.

I KNOW I KNOW! I'm evil that way.:-D

Who needs big brakes any way...


They just slow ya down.

 

[cobra-boss]

I looked at a 98 cobra wheel this weekend and I DON'T think it will work with the Alcon kit, although I have not done a trial fit. Like the 03-04 cobra wheel the 98 has a inner lip that I believe will not allow the wheel to seat. I know someone with some 98 wheels and will try to borrow one and try.

Jimmy, you my want to block off half if your duct so you are only blowing air into the center of the rotor and no air on the rotor face, this will keep the rotor form cooling at different rates and avoid cracking the rotor. Also did you get my PM from Corral answering your questions?

Jim

 

[Jimmysidecarr]

I looked at a 98 cobra wheel this weekend and I DON'T think it will work with the Alcon kit, although I have not done a trial fit. Like the 03-04 cobra wheel the 98 has a inner lip that I believe will not allow the wheel to seat. I know someone with some 98 wheels and will try to borrow one and try.

Excellent thanks for stepping up and helping out!

In the beginning I thought that nearly all 17X9 Cobra wheels(98s are 17x8) would work similar to the Y2KR clearance issue.
Um... No, No Bueno. On closer inspection there is a significant reduction in diameter right by the spokes. DAMN!:bash::nonono:

Fortunately I'm not hung up on the looks of the 95R, I like em, I like em A LOT!!

If this pans out I am going to be IN FREAKING LOVE WITH THEM!!!:rockon::banana:epper::dancenana:

What the hell is it about a dancing banana?:dancenana: