Bought a Dark Horse with the Ford Performance Whipple Kit

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IF, and it's a big IF, the DH shares the Predator shortblock, then yes... it would have forged mahle pistons.
I have been trying to find out since they upgraded so many other internal parts...not that it matters, this car is getting whippled either way...lol

but you would think this would be a bragging point for ford to tell customers as well...why is that info so hard to get?
 

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Curious... What gives the predator more displacement over the coyote? Longer stroke or larger bore? Or both? What we do know is the DH definitely doesn't have a predator shortblock.
 

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Curious... What gives the predator more displacement over the coyote? Longer stroke or larger bore? Or both? What we do know is the DH definitely doesn't have a predator shortblock.
Crank.
I’d have to look deeper on the DH again but I think it gets the Predator rods and the standard Coyote pistons/crank. The rods are the weak link so I’d think 1000hp crank is doable for a stock DH longblock.
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For the DH they are still using a "mani-cat" on the driver side and the shit GT manifold on the passenger side. They could have used the higher quality GT500 manifolds but they went budget here and I agree there was likely minimum power gain potential anyway (but still).

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They returned to a steel oil pan. Yes, connecting rods from the GT500. Camshafts were revised, some say for strength and others have mentioned increased exhaust duration (over the GT Coyote engine) and they allegedly tweaked the crankshaft alloy mix.
 

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For the DH they are still using a "mani-cat" on the driver side and the shit GT manifold on the passenger side. They could have used the higher quality GT500 manifolds but they went budget here and I agree there was likely minimum power gain potential anyway (but still).

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They returned to a steel oil pan. Yes, connecting rods from the GT500. Camshafts were revised, some say for strength and others have mentioned increased exhaust duration (over the GT Coyote engine) and they allegedly tweaked the crankshaft alloy mix.

good lord, I think I'd lose my shit if a cat going out meant having to replace the manifold. Hopefully they hold up better than the junk on the f150s
 

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For the DH they are still using a "mani-cat" on the driver side and the shit GT manifold on the passenger side. They could have used the higher quality GT500 manifolds but they went budget here and I agree there was likely minimum power gain potential anyway (but still).

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They returned to a steel oil pan. Yes, connecting rods from the GT500. Camshafts were revised, some say for strength and others have mentioned increased exhaust duration (over the GT Coyote engine) and they allegedly tweaked the crankshaft alloy mix.
That makes me ill to look at it.
 

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I love the new screens. Ford spent some coin on that update. But I see what you mean. I can seem to fox body or classic gauges if I want though. lol.

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Ford most certainly did not spend more money on LCD screens. Just cause the price to replace one is 10 to 20 times more than it is to replace old instrument clusters. LCD screens are extremely cheap to produce for a company like Ford.
 

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Ford most certainly did not spend more money on LCD screens. Just cause the price to replace one is 10 to 20 times more than it is to replace old instrument clusters. LCD screens are extremely cheap to produce for a company like Ford.

You must be in the LCD screen industry. Do you own Samsung?
 

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Ford most certainly did not spend more money on LCD screens. Just cause the price to replace one is 10 to 20 times more than it is to replace old instrument clusters. LCD screens are extremely cheap to produce for a company like Ford.
well, it's massive, super crisp and now that its updated, it moves pretty quickly. either way the tech on these new fords is pretty dang good.
 

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How much is “extremely cheap for a company like Ford” since you seem to know?
you guys know how many cars I have had. Ford is at the highest level when it comes to TFT displays and all electrical options...my ferrari FF had the radio DIRECTLY out of a dodge caravan...not a lie...they were identical units. The ferrari guys would bitch about it ALL THE TIME...the bentayga had it's stereo from a base model VW Atlas.

The vette had a great stereo TFT as well...it was just way smaller...at night the DH is insane with that screen...really like it.
 

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you guys know how many cars I have had. Ford is at the highest level when it comes to TFT displays and all electrical options...my ferrari FF had the radio DIRECTLY out of a dodge caravan...not a lie...they were identical units. The ferrari guys would bitch about it ALL THE TIME...the bentayga had it's stereo from a base model VW Atlas.

The vette had a great stereo TFT as well...it was just way smaller...at night the DH is insane with that screen...really like it.
I'm not saying it's low quality, they're very high quality. And for you a guy who always has a new car they make sense and work great. But they are cheaper to "design"/manufacture as opposed to traditional gauges.
 

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I'm not saying it's low quality, they're very high quality. And for you a guy who always has a new car they make sense and work great. But they are cheaper to "design"/manufacture as opposed to traditional gauges.

Behind the screen is a cpu with programming connected to a network of wires and modules, CANbus etc.

I don’t think traditional gauges are a real comparison unless you ignore the underlying tech.
 

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Behind the screen is a cpu with programming connected to a network of wires and modules, CANbus etc.

I don’t think traditional gauges are a real comparison unless you ignore the underlying tech.
Sorry I was referring to modern dash cluster gauges that use CANbus. Since at least obd2.
 

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I was curious what the costs were for some of these parts. Couldn't get the dual screen msrp which shows part# PR3Z10D885A, but I did glance at the cost of the wheels... $5295.73 and $4545.18! Whatever you do don't curb those @ArabianOak !
 

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