If the car had been allocated-it will get scheduled.
It's July 2012- from my source- there are still 5 months left left to build these cars- and they've only been being built for 2.5mos.
I just think its premature that we speculate build numbers at this point
Here's what we know.
Less than 2000 have been built to date- in about 100 days of production.
100 days from now- will be late October
Here's my speculation:
Word in my circles is build will stop around christmas
That being said- at the current pace 4000-5000 cars.
Remember- Ford will build as many as dealer's order.
Problem is alot of dealer's that still have allocation are asking ADM's- even for an order- and people just aren't paying it. It looks like the dealers may be slowing down the builds.
Many early orders were ADM-less- but now, not so much. Which means less people willing to pay $75k for a Mustang.
Chris - Question for you. I know you have experience in the car business. So Ford will continue to build as long as orders come in, but if a Dealer only has allocation for 1-2 or 3-5 etc, can that Dealer still order? If not, doesn't this hurt Ford and allow them to only build a certain amount if Dealers can't order more then their allocations? What determines their allocation? What would be the highest allocation a Dealer would get?
My local Dealer is a pretty huge Dealer, but it seems their allocation for Shelby's was very small in comparison to their size and the amount of units they sell of other models and Mustangs in general.
An example:
We had to take 4 stick no AC rangers in colors such as " burnt dogshit" and "sinus infection green" AND two automatic bright yellow no option V6 mustangs for our rep to even consider giving us a Ford GT back in 2006
BTW, I know 2 or 3 Dealers that still have their 1st allocation available to order for 5 - 10K over MSRP.
Yeah, I'll try and ask if they can tell. The only number I saw on 7/17 was that there were 2,294 that were "unscheduled". But all this number really means is 3,725 minus the 1,431 that were already built or in-production. So it doesn't say how many of the 2,294 were orders in the system (but still unscheduled). I'll see if I can get that breakdown. On 7/17, here were the numbers:
Unscheduled - 2,294
In the Plant - 454
Memo Count - 1 (no idea what this means)
In Transit - 109
Demo Count - 2 (not sure what exactly this means either)
Stock count - 185 (not sure on this either, but maybe that is how many are on dealer lots??)
Unit 12 Sales - 680 (no idea on this either. Maybe I'll ask what this means).
I would be extremely curious to learn how many allocations were allowed by SVT for the 2013 if you can find that out, please.
The first dealer I tried to work with was informed during the last week of April how many allocations they were allowed for the 2013. I'd guess that all dealers were informed about the same time.
Ford/SVT really should have a system of advertising which dealers have allocations remaining; the truth. Those that hold the last 100 allocations are for example going to have a hard time matching up with customers because it's such a chore to do a national search.
I also think Ford should have its own listing of all GT500 inventory as easily accessible as cars.com or autotrader. Why shouldn't they? That's to their benefit.
Any customer who truly wants one and has the $$$ ready should be able to get one either off a lot somewhere, or ordered if the options they want are not available on a lot, or if one is available but there's an ADM on it.
Kinda off topic but does anybody know how many ZL1's have been built/sold vs the 2013 Shelby to date?
I am not sure I get the question here. Can you clarify?
every dealer who paid the SVT 2-year fee got one allocation for 2013 and can get another one for 2014, at least. president's list (340 of the approx 5000 ford dealers) get a second from what i understand. large volume dealers (i don't know if this just refers to GT500 past sales or all Mustangs combined) such as Galpin get even more. so: back in late April, early May there were I would guess some specified number that was the total of all of those allocations combined nationwide. i'm curious what that number was. how many dealers paid the SVT fee, and how many extra allocations on top of that, all totalled, were allowed?
Basically not a single one of the 3,725 Cobras is going to get built without an allocation. How are they doled out? Not sure. I can try to ask though, if that is your question. At the very least we know that each dealer in the Shelby program will get at least 1 car this year, and 1 car next year. After that it seems to be based on Share of Nation formula and maybe some other variables.
Yeah, this is likely true. However some dealers will get awarded MORE than their original allotment. This is because some allocations will go unused by other dealers, etc. So Ford will at some point re-assign unused allocation.
i am hearing/seeing that in very small numbers, but it does seem to be the case. not sure who exactly re-assigns them but it seems to be happening.
Can't disagree with this. One thing I think I can do though.... I plan to send a note to my guy around Wednesday of this week. In that note, I will ask him if any dealerships in his area have unused allocation. I suppose this is something he might be able to find out. I think he said he oversees something like 140 dealerships in his region of the country, so maybe he has some visibility into their remaining allocation. If I can get that list, I will share it here. In fact, let me just send him a note right now.... Done. Just emailed him.
i think Ford should have something with content online where potential customers could in less than one minute access a list of all dealers nationwide who still have allocations left. if Schmoe Ford in Bumfugg, Idaho has one, they should be as accessible to customers as the mega-dealerships in major cities. i presented this idea in another thread awhile back about how perhaps a small fee could be charged to keep out riff-raff and not waste dealers' time. my idea was $50 nonrefundable, and another maybe $100 that could be applied toward a purchase, or else lose that too. Ford/SVT gets better instant contact with customers and dealers do too. the list could only be viewed at a dealership with perhaps Gen Mgrs at the lowest rank. honest dealers also benefit while liars are hopefully squelched. i think not just GT500s, but all Fords should be available on a website that pops up listings as quickly as cars.com or autotrader, not the slow, one-at-a-time searches that have to be done now, or the Ford marketing dept 5 at-a-time list they'll give you on the phone. basically, there are things Ford can do to make info much more readily/easily available. although after seeing their configurator with the stripes still on the glass roof for 2 months, i don't know who's managing that fiasco. how can a multi-multi billion dollar corp have such a lousy website? it's 2012 for cryin' out loud, and they're trumpeting about their major turn toward globalism. there are simple things that can be done to improve competitiveness, especially on a global scale.
No can do. I highly doubt that Ford could build many of them, for several reasons (these are just my theories)
1) They have some desire to keep them exclusive. It the 3,725 number holds up, these will technically be more rare than Bosses.
2) CAFE standards
3) Parts limitations, etc.
I am not sure I get the question here. Can you clarify?
Basically not a single one of the 3,725 Cobras is going to get built without an allocation. How are they doled out? Not sure. I can try to ask though, if that is your question. At the very least we know that each dealer in the Shelby program will get at least 1 car this year, and 1 car next year. After that it seems to be based on Share of Nation formula and maybe some other variables.
Yeah, this is likely true. However some dealers will get awarded MORE than their original allotment. This is because some allocations will go unused by other dealers, etc. So Ford will at some point re-assign unused allocation.
Can't disagree with this. One thing I think I can do though.... I plan to send a note to my guy around Wednesday of this week. In that note, I will ask him if any dealerships in his area have unused allocation. I suppose this is something he might be able to find out. I think he said he oversees something like 140 dealerships in his region of the country, so maybe he has some visibility into their remaining allocation. If I can get that list, I will share it here. In fact, let me just send him a note right now.... Done. Just emailed him.
No can do. I highly doubt that Ford could build many of them, for several reasons (these are just my theories)
1) They have some desire to keep them exclusive. It the 3,725 number holds up, these will technically be more rare than Bosses.
2) CAFE standards
3) Parts limitations, etc.
Ford built nearly 11,000 GT500s for 07. They found enough parts then, why wouldn't they have them now.
Maybe you could ask your magical "guy" out there in cyberspace about that one.
Whats wrong with the theory of them building these cars to approximate the number of willing, capable buyers. Doesn't that make sense.
Exclusive? Really? Do you have any idea how many GT500s have been put into circulation to this point?
Ford built nearly 11,000 GT500s for 07. They found enough parts then, why wouldn't they have them now. Maybe you could ask your magical "guy" out there in cyberspace about that one.
Well, here you go then......... Not really rare cars huh?
SHELBY GT500 PRODUCTION
2007
Coupes.............................8,150
Verts...............................2,694
Total...............................10,844
2008
Coupes.............................6,513
Verts................................2,070
Total................................8,583
2009
Coupes.............................3,004
Verts................................555
Total................................3,339
2010
Coupes.............................3,545
Verts................................913
Total................................4,458
2011
Coupes.............................3,461
Verts................................838
Total................................4,299
2012
Coupes.............................3,929
Verts................................905
Total................................4,834
Total Production: 2007-2012
Coupes.............................28,602
Verts................................7,975
Total................................36,577
Don't know. There is almost no comparison between the 7 and 13 in terms of parts though.
I am leaving him alone for a while. I feel bad bugging him over stuff like this. He got my car built--and provided a little insight along the way--so I am happy.
It does make sense. It's as good a theory as any. For all I know Ford won't ever stop building these. They'll skip 2014 and just keep building 2013's since so many people are lining up to buy them.
Exclusive is a relative term I suppose. It is more exclusive than most everything else produced by Ford.
Check out the number of cars by year since 2007. How do you explain the far lower numbers produced, especially in the last 4 years?