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[SCalla1384]

The CJ is the better intake, IMO simply because your able to run a big TB and a big cold air intake.

There has been plenty of boss IM cars in the 10's or low 11's in the low to mid 120's. AED, wbt, JJ, and danner all went 10's on the boss intake. I know danner has gone faster with the CJ.

I still think a boss intake with the ported inlet, big throttle body (at least 90mm) and a custom 4.5" intake would do the same thing as a CJ and monoblade setup. Just that a 90mm TB is not a good one to run because it's tough to tune with. And it actually doesn't flow as good as an 84.5mm accufab. I'm sure the 90mm could be cleaned out and flow more. But, so far no one has done this. I'm still debating it, but in the end, I'll probably just go CJ

 

[Justin81]

Just to clarify, when you guys are saying +20 TQ over the boss, are you saying another 20 on top of what the boss made? Or do you mean Boss made est. +14TQ over stock and the CJ made +20 over stock?

 

[Voltwings]

People keep making the price comment and i've pointed out on a few occasions its not as much as you think.

My entire SCJ set up cost me just about $1600 ordering from Steve @ Tasca on this site, and my REv auto 5" intake. Lets break down a Boss set up

Boss intake: $470 from american muscle with SVT discount. Could possibly had cheaper from Steve @ Tasca
84mm throttle body: $589 from lethal
Air raid CAI: $330 from american muscle

That brings your Boss total to $1388. So its only right around a $200 difference depending on how hard you deal hunt... the only appeal the Boss intake really has initially is it can be run with the stock intake and throttle body, but when going for max effort you're really not coming out much ahead.

 

[FivePointOmg]

You've Not searched very hard then. Drew and 86 Merc. Unported CJ saw 17 peak hp and 12 peak trq with +20 torque the through the curve compared to the boss. Ported was even better. Plenty of cars hitting 10.9-11.1 with 121+ traps. Show me a N/A boss intake car doing that.

I've yet to see a CJ setup makes less than 445 hp SAE and smokegreyhatch saw as much as 482 SAE with FTW Purple. Before cold air intakes were even available.

The CJ is deff proven by more than one sample. Adams car at rev auto saw exactly 20 hp to the wheels going to the CJ setup. On a N/A (cams)car that was already making 500 whp. That's astonishing!!

ACTUALLY I have searched and done plenty of homework...My tuner's car here local in Tampa ran 11.0 @ 123 with the Boss mani that's on my car and E85 with boltons and stock cams...He's 04compgt on the forums I'm sure he'll chime in here about others he's tuned around here that are in the 11's and 120's without SCJ or Boss even.

 

[FivePointOmg]

Can buy a Boss IM used for $400 or less, use stock TB and install yourself...Then get a free tune revision from your tuner for less than 1/3 what the SCJ setup costs when it's all said and done...

 

[kcsvt94l]

The CJ is the better intake, IMO simply because your able to run a big TB and a big cold air intake.

There has been plenty of boss IM cars in the 10's or low 11's in the low to mid 120's. AED, wbt, JJ, and danner all went 10's on the boss intake. I know danner has gone faster with the CJ.

I still think a boss intake with the ported inlet, big throttle body (at least 90mm) and a custom 4.5" intake would do the same thing as a CJ and monoblade setup. Just that a 90mm TB is not a good one to run because it's tough to tune with. And it actually doesn't flow as good as an 84.5mm accufab. I'm sure the 90mm could be cleaned out and flow more. But, so far no one has done this. I'm still debating it, but in the end, I'll probably just go CJ

You're pointing out cars with significant weight reduction and glory runs on FTW Purple. CJ setups are seeing those numbers on cars with far less done to them and the Dyno charts have been out for well over a year now to uphold that.

Not arguing with ya man. Just saying people need to research. The CJ gains are proven multiple times over folks.

As far as a ported boss intake doing the same thing I disagree. Reference the CJ overlay compared to a boss that's was in 5.0 Mustang The air flow is very significant.

I will agree the big contributor to its success is the adaption of the massive tbody and air filter.

 

[SCalla1384]

People keep making the price comment and i've pointed out on a few occasions its not as much as you think.

My entire SCJ set up cost me just about $1600 ordering from Steve @ Tasca on this site, and my REv auto 5" intake. Lets break down a Boss set up

Boss intake: $470 from american muscle with SVT discount. Could possibly had cheaper from Steve @ Tasca
84mm throttle body: $589 from lethal
Air raid CAI: $330 from american muscle

That brings your Boss total to $1388. So its only right around a $200 difference depending on how hard you deal hunt... the only appeal the Boss intake really has initially is it can be run with the stock intake and throttle body, but when going for max effort you're really not coming out much ahead.

I agree 100% with that. The only thing with a boss intake is, it'll work with the stock throttle body and basically any GT cold air intake. Your not obligated to buy a TB/cold air intake like you are with a CJ. If your trying to get all the power you can out of an NA car then this shouldn't matter. But for people just looking to throw a few parts on, I can see why they'd rather just spend $480 on a boss intake.

ACTUALLY I have searched and done plenty of homework...My tuner's car here local in Tampa ran 11.0 @ 123 with the Boss mani that's on my car and E85 with boltons and stock cams...He's 04compgt on the forums I'm sure he'll chime in here about others he's tuned around here that are in the 11's and 120's without SCJ or Boss even.

Agreed, there's plenty of people that have run deep in the 11's with a mid to low 120 trap on a boss intake. I don't think the CJ is superior to the boss at all. It has it's advantages for sure though

 

[SCalla1384]

You're pointing out cars with significant weight reduction and glory runs on FTW Purple. CJ setups are seeing those numbers on cars with far less done to them and the Dyno charts have been out for well over a year now to uphold that.

Not arguing with ya man. Just saying people need to research. The CJ gains are proven multiple times over folks.

As far as a ported boss intake doing the same thing I disagree. Reference the CJ overlay compared to a boss that's was in 5.0 Mustang The air flow is very significant.

I will agree the big contributor to its success is the adaption of the massive tbody and air filter.

Your out of your tits.

AED, JJ wbt, and kdanner all ran 10's on e85. Kdanner/wbt were/are constantly in the 10's. None of these 4 had FTW. And there's also been plenty of low low 11 second boss intake cars trapping in the mid to low 120's. Do some research, you have no clue what your talking about

Of course they had weight reduction lol! Wtf?? That's a dumb argument. CJ guys have no weight reduction? Lol.

The runners in the boss and CJ are basically the same size. Only difference is the boss has the corner triangular pieces. The real only advantage of the CJ is being able to run a massive TB and cold air, that's it. It'll flow more cfm simply because of that.

 

[kcsvt94l]

ACTUALLY I have searched and done plenty of homework...My tuner's car here local in Tampa ran 11.0 @ 123 with the Boss mani that's on my car and E85 with boltons and stock cams...He's 04compgt on the forums I'm sure he'll chime in here about others he's tuned around here that are in the 11's and 120's without SCJ or Boss even.

Familiar with 04Compgt. He's a great tuner. He'll certainly agree the CJ setup is superior. Again these aren't full weight car examples. Theirs a lot of modification on rotational mass to achieve those times. Essentially a CJ setup with an xpipe and a tune(e85) on drag wheels is low 11/high 10 material otherwise stock from a weight reduction perspective.

 

[kcsvt94l]

Your out of your tits.

AED, JJ wbt, and kdanner all ran 10's on e85. Kdanner/wbt were/are constantly in the 10's. None of these 4 had FTW. And there's also been plenty of low low 11 second boss intake cars trapping in the mid to low 120's. Do some research, you have no clue what your talking about

Of course they had weight reduction lol! Wtf?? That's a dumb argument. CJ guys have no weight reduction? Lol.

The runners in the boss and CJ are basically the same size. Only difference is the boss has the corner triangular pieces. The real only advantage of the CJ is being able to run a massive TB and cold air, that's it. It'll flow more cfm simply because of that.

Sorry you feel that way. But those cars have a SHIT ton of weight reduction. Not just a drag wheel setup and the spare removed.

You clearly haven't accepted the blatant proof from dyno results that clearly show the CJ being better. Doesn't matter why it's better. It IS!

 

[kcsvt94l]

As for price don't have a dog in that fight the boss 302 can be had damn cheap compared to when I bought it.

 

[Elwood617]

I'm a Ported Boss bolt-on car, with lots of weight reduction. I'm running 11.4-5 @121-2 with a crappy 60ft. I'm working on getting into the 10's with my current setup. But, next year, in switching over to a CJ and a mono-blade. There have been tons of strong builds showing a good gain in both torque and HP across the curve. If you search, you will find the info. For a max N/A build the CJ manifold and mono-blade is a no brainer

 

[FivePointOmg]

The main reason it's better is because you can bolt a monster TB onto it...The talk about weight reduction is subjective too because everyone on here has some form of weight reduction...If you say your car is "full weight" you're full of it lol...

 

[Voltwings]

The runners are actually larger too. The plenum is larger than the Boss, only by a marginal amount due to a redesign around the rear cylinders, and the runners are fatter as well. Really the only similarity the Boss and CJ manifolds share is runner length. I dont mean to come in here and shit on your thread man, the car still has to feel badass, i'm just merely trying to provide information.

 

[kcsvt94l]

The main reason it's better is because you can bolt a monster TB onto it...The talk about weight reduction is subjective too because everyone on here has some form of weight reduction...If you say your car is "full weight" you're full of it lol...

I'm not saying some basic stuff axle weights/ spare/bigs & littles. But kdanner/wbt/Shaun/ etc... Had ALOT more reduction than that when they were ripping off high 10 passes. Not saying it wasn't possible clearly it was.

However the CJ setup is putting down those times without being on a huge diet. Subjective yes. I'm just trying to keep this apples to apples. Once you do the CJ clearly out performs. Now is it had as cheap as a boss setup hell no!! But it's not that much more if you compare IM, TB, CAI vs. IM, TB, CAI

Scalla is absolutely right you don't "HAVE" to upgrade the TB which is very true! It does make it easier to do in stages. Not taking anything away from the boss setup. But to say it's on par with CJ is just frankly inaccurate.

Especially a ported CJ. Had the CJ setup been out when I bought my boss 302 stuff. I'd went right to the CJ measure twice cut once . Not tying to be a dick to anyone

 

[Elwood617]

I'm not saying some basic stuff axle weights/ spare/bigs & littles. But kdanner/wbt/Shaun/ etc... Had ALOT more reduction than that when they were ripping off high 10 passes. Not saying it wasn't possible clearly it was.

However the CJ setup is putting down those times without being on a huge diet. Subjective yes. I'm just trying to keep this apples to apples. Once you do the CJ clearly out performs. Now is it had as cheap as a boss setup hell no!! But it's not that much more if you compare IM, TB, CAI vs. IM, TB, CAI

Scalla is absolutely right you don't "HAVE" to upgrade the TB which is very true! It does make it easier to do in stages. Not taking anything away from the boss setup. But to say it's on par with CJ is just frankly inaccurate.

Especially a ported CJ. Had the CJ setup been out when I bought my boss 302 stuff. I'd went right to the CJ measure twice cut once . Not tying to be a dick to anyone

I feel the same way, I'd have a CJ manifold if it was available when I started my build. Oh well, someone will get a good deal on a ported Boss setup.

 

[FivePointOmg]

I don't think anyone's being a dick...This is a good comparison thread lol...I'm just waiting to see the SCJ setups blowing the doors off the Boss IM setups...Haven't seen that happening yet...I'm not sure about the 10sec passes but the locals here with Boss IM's are not on big diets and running low 11's at low 120ish traps on stock manifolds and Boss manifolds...One in particular also tuned by Sai was on 18" DR's with only catless X and stock CAI on stock manifold.

 

[pickles]

I've talked to multiple big name tuners regarding intake manifolds. All of them aren't sold on the boss nor the CJ setup, and instead highly praise the stock manifold.

For that reason I've been hesitant to drop the cash on either setup.

 

[SCalla1384]

Weight reduction is subjective. Shit I could have started off 200lbs lighter with a base model lol.

Doing exhaust is technically weight reduction. None of these cars were gutted.

I don't even understand the argument, CJ guys are taking out weight reduction too. If it's not as extreme , guess what? They haven't ran faster then AED/JJ/danner/wbt so your argument sucks

 

[Elwood617]

I've talked to multiple big name tuners regarding intake manifolds. All of them aren't sold on the boss nor the CJ setup, and instead highly praise the stock manifold.

For that reason I've been hesitant to drop the cash on either setup.

It depends on what your doing. My buddy running nitrous through his a6 had better results with the stock manifold. But for a n/a m6, building power with more rpm and being able to do the 1/4 mile in fourth is awesome. Not to mention how flexible the Boss manifold makes the Coyote on a curvy road or a road course.
It really depends on what you want out of your car