Mail Order Tune Accuracy

[96gt02]

Another thing im going to venture a guess at with Lund is that most of the issue cars are not actually get tuned by either of the Lunds themselves, who I believe are very good tuners but again also very busy and spending of their time on their showcase cars that are bringing in business. If your tuning a GT500 remotely, IMO there is no one better then BJ

 

[PM-Performance]

Yolo, but "sr. Looked at it too", who knows, I'm just cutting my losses at this point.

thats shitty. sorry to hear man. this deff makes me rethink things.

 

[50stangpower]

I'm in revision 27 and was told that it wasn't in the tune at this point. Go fish essentially. I have a random stumble around 3,000 rpms. Only changes were ID1500X injectors as they recommended for switching to E-85. AND YES I HAVE A NEW 93 tune that they sent that does the same thing. If anyone wants to waste an hour for a good laugh I'll forward the email chain!

 

[96gt02]

Yolo, but "sr. Looked at it too", who knows, I'm just cutting my losses at this point.

Its funny you mention Yolo, I watch and like most of his youtube content however I would never want him to tune my car as he has mentioned multiple times that his own car that he tuned was having tuning issues lol.

 

[RedVenom48]

Lund tuned here.

I originally went with a 3 lettered company for tuning when I bought my car in Feb of 2015. Added an intake, then a TB, then an off road H, plugs and a smaller pulley for my M122. Always had a hunting idle issue. 91 or 100 tune same issues with every revision.

I bought a Trinity TVS, 56 lb injectors, a pump booster and the updated tune from the 3 lettered company in Jan 2016. Same issues with hunting idle.

Went back to the stock M122 and TB and decided Id had enough. Plunked down the cash for a Lund tune and literally cleared up all the issues my 3 lettered company tune had. Solid idle, felt like the car just hit harder. Just a much happier experience.

Moved to AZ, bought a Whipple mono blade, PMAS 120mm (goodbye JLT) and requested a tune update. Dasan Holloway was assigned to my car and after the initial tune and data logs verified I was ok, I was sent my final revision. Good golly Ms Molly did it wake my little M122 up. It wasnt TVS crazy, but it certainly was a noticeable increase. Exceptional drivability, so much so that I daily drove my GT500 with monoblade for about 6 months.

I had to go for emissions in November 2017. Installed my factory cats, loaded up the catted tune I was provided and not a single hiccup.

So, whats my rambling here have to do with anything? The hate for Lund is kinda ridiculous. We will ALLLLL have a different experience with remote tuners. Im sure many customers of the 3 lettered company were satisfied with their work. I wasnt and have had nothing but a fantastic experience with Lund Racing remote tuning my car. I can say this though, Im meticulous about installing parts on my car. Superchargers, pullies, spark plugs, oil filters, drain plugs, intakes... it doesnt matter. The installer of parts MUST be competent and the quality of parts must be high in order for a remote tune to be effective. Whether thats you or a shop that does the installation, its got to be done right. The datalgging must be done correctly and the tuner's datalog instructions must be followed precisely.

Thats not to say every company wont be perfect, or not have issues and flaws. But Lund racing got to where they are because they dont suck.

Flame on.

 

[50stangpower]

Lund tuned here.

I originally went with a 3 lettered company for tuning when I bought my car in Feb of 2015. Added an intake, then a TB, then an off road H, plugs and a smaller pulley for my M122. Always had a hunting idle issue. 91 or 100 tune same issues with every revision.

I bought a Trinity TVS, 56 lb injectors, a pump booster and the updated tune from the 3 lettered company in Jan 2016. Same issues with hunting idle.

Went back to the stock M122 and TB and decided Id had enough. Plunked down the cash for a Lund tune and literally cleared up all the issues my 3 lettered company tune had. Solid idle, felt like the car just hit harder. Just a much happier experience.

Moved to AZ, bought a Whipple mono blade, PMAS 120mm (goodbye JLT) and requested a tune update. Dasan Holloway was assigned to my car and after the initial tune and data logs verified I was ok, I was sent my final revision. Good golly Ms Molly did it wake my little M122 up. It wasnt TVS crazy, but it certainly was a noticeable increase. Exceptional drivability, so much so that I daily drove my GT500 with monoblade for about 6 months.

I had to go for emissions in November 2017. Installed my factory cats, loaded up the catted tune I was provided and not a single hiccup.

So, whats my rambling here have to do with anything? The hate for Lund is kinda ridiculous. We will ALLLLL have a different experience with remote tuners. Im sure many customers of the 3 lettered company were satisfied with their work. I wasnt and have had nothing but a fantastic experience with Lund Racing remote tuning my car. I can say this though, Im meticulous about installing parts on my car. Superchargers, pullies, spark plugs, oil filters, drain plugs, intakes... it doesnt matter. The installer of parts MUST be competent and the quality of parts must be high in order for a remote tune to be effective. Whether thats you or a shop that does the installation, its got to be done right. The datalgging must be done correctly and the tuner's datalog instructions must be followed precisely.

Thats not to say every company wont be perfect, or not have issues and flaws. But Lund racing got to where they are because they dont suck.

Flame on.

LOL so I installed injectors wrong? I know every company has some issues and i have no issue with that. Its what you do to make your customer whole that matters. If you want to see some of the excuses for why my car wouldn't even start and was throwing all sorts of CEL's ill gladly show you. I was told " I've sent 3 people the same (custom mind you) tune and their vehicle was great!" Lund sr then sent a revised tune and poof all of that went away. I am the most patient customer in the world and run a business myself so I always give people the benefit of the doubt.


Also please dont say the "Hate" for Lund, as I dont Hate them at all, just sharing my experience and let the cards fall where they fall. The first time when Lund Jr did my tune (cams and 93) the car ran GREAT. Also Ill add the car runs great now at WOT and most driving.

 

[RedVenom48]

Im sure you installed them fine, and they took care of you. Im not saying you shouldnt feel frustrated it took more effort than it should have to get your tune and issues resolved. It got handled and Sr stepped in to make it right. Id say they (Lund Racing) made you whole. Its a far cry from the quality of tuning I received from the 3 lettered company over multiple revisions.

My comments about install werent directed at you specifically. The point I was trying to get across was that whoever modifies the car must do their part. Incorrect installations, or not recognizing a part isnt working correctly are out of the hands of the tuners. Ive seen so many people try and modify their cars (Lexus), then bring them to me (the dealership) because their Check Engine light is on and its running like shit. One look at the parts they installed or the workmanship of the installation and its obvious why the car is running poorly. There isnt a tuner in the world that can cover that up.

As far as hate, oh yeah theres hate for Lund. Facebook and youtube are littered with people dogging Lund Racing for petty shit. When you ask for details, they either go silent or just attack some more. My experience with them and the body of work they have assembled with regard to tuning solidifies my belief in them and their level of quality.

I have no affiliation to Lund Racing, Ive paid for all the services they have provided me, just so thats cleared up.

 

[sleek98]

Lexustech48 who at vmp did your tune, since alex worked there for a while i am wondering if it was him, and the problems are following him and not really the company. He has mentioned in a few videos that as soon as he swapped from his tune to lunds base tune his care got better. Now my question becomes did he say that to get guys to come to Lund or does he really not know wtf to do?

I have had Lund do a few tunes for my setups over the last 3 years. Overall I have been much happier when Sr or Jr were doing the tune vs the other random guys that got assigned for updates, a quick ticket and that was resolved each time.

 

[50stangpower]

Im sure you installed them fine, and they took care of you. Im not saying you shouldnt feel frustrated it took more effort than it should have to get your tune and issues resolved. It got handled and Sr stepped in to make it right. Id say they (Lund Racing) made you whole. Its a far cry from the quality of tuning I received from the 3 lettered company over multiple revisions.

My comments about install werent directed at you specifically. The point I was trying to get across was that whoever modifies the car must do their part. Incorrect installations, or not recognizing a part isnt working correctly are out of the hands of the tuners. Ive seen so many people try and modify their cars (Lexus), then bring them to me (the dealership) because their Check Engine light is on and its running like shit. One look at the parts they installed or the workmanship of the installation and its obvious why the car is running poorly. There isnt a tuner in the world that can cover that up.

As far as hate, oh yeah theres hate for Lund. Facebook and youtube are littered with people dogging Lund Racing for petty shit. When you ask for details, they either go silent or just attack some more. My experience with them and the body of work they have assembled with regard to tuning solidifies my belief in them and their level of quality.

I have no affiliation to Lund Racing, Ive paid for all they services they have provided me, just so thats cleared up.

FYI i am still having issues, that was just to get it up and running. they have NOT made me whole

 

[PM-Performance]

Lexustech48 who at vmp did your tune, since alex worked there for a while i am wondering if it was him, and the problems are following him and not really the company. He has mentioned in a few videos that as soon as he swapped from his tune to lunds base tune his care got better. Now my question becomes did he say that to get guys to come to Lund or does he really not know wtf to do?

I wonder this sometimes as well from his videos

 

[RBB]

I've been a customer of Lund's for about 7 years now, and they were always pretty solid for basic tunes with simple mods. For more advanced mods/remote tuning I haven't had the greatest experience with them, and at this point I'd be inclined to believe you'd have better luck with BJ. They've gotten so big now, and you're just another number to them....they're trying to bang your tune out as quickly as possible, you can't speak to anyone on the phone, and that's not always the best approach. If there's anything wrong it's either due to your install or the infamous "bad gas".

When I finished up my engine build and return fuel system install last year, I fired the car up and it immediately went into limp mode, car ran like shit. Couldn't even get through an idle log without the engine dying. Lund insisted that there was nothing wrong with his tune without so much as even reviewing it, and sent us down the rabbit hole of checking everything installed on the car for problems. After about 2 days of this, and double and triple checking everything, I assured him there were no install issues. Again, he insisted that there was nothing wrong with the tune without even reviewing it. I wasn't able to read the faults being thrown correctly with an SCT tuner so I had to tow the damn car to Ford and have them hook it up to IDS. I then sent these screen shots to him, at which point he did in fact determine they were related to faults in the fuel system he had neglected to turn off since I had made the move to a return style system. After a tune update all was well. I definitely didn't appreciate wasting a couple days of my time going over the car with a fine tooth comb, when you could've resolved this in 5 minutes by simply reviewing the original tune....strike one.

Fast forward to dyno day, fresh tank of Shell 93. Car pulled 6* of spark on the initial pull to 5K, knock sensors were going crazy. Pulled the plugs, they looked fine. Did another pull, same result. Lund's immediate response was something is probably rubbing and setting off the knock sensors, do I have your permission to turn them off and proceed with tuning? My response was hell no....I'm not letting you turn knock off on a brand new $30K engine build without even verifying that the gas is good. Ran out and grabbed a can of Octanium, mixed that in and pulled again, no knock. We finished up dyno tuning that day without any more issues, and I did a couple data logs out on the street with a fresh tank of 93 (from another Shell station) a few weeks later. It looked fine, no knock, so obviously I picked up some crap fuel on dyno day. I thought it was incredibly wreckless of him to immediately suggest we turn off the knock sensors and continue tuning. I'm absolutely positive that would've resulted in me burning a brand new engine down on the dyno, and I can't help but wonder how many customers has this happened to? There have to be some out there....strike two.

So the point of my long winded post is you're not going to get much time and attention with LR these days. You're a number, and they're looking to bang your tune out as quickly as possible so they can move on to the next guy. Any issues you have during the tuning process are never their fault....it's bad gas, bad install, or some other excuse designed to put the ball in your court so as not to cost them any extra time on your tune. I've got a Gen3 to install this spring and I'll most likely be giving BJ a call when it comes time to do the remote tune.

 

[RedVenom48]

Lexustech48 who at vmp did your tune, since alex worked there for a while i am wondering if it was him, and the problems are following him and not really the company. He has mentioned in a few videos that as soon as he swapped from his tune to lunds base tune his care got better. Now my question becomes did he say that to get guys to come to Lund or does he really not know wtf to do?

I have had Lund do a few tunes for my setups over the last 3 years. Overall I have been much happier when Sr or Jr were doing the tune vs the other random guys that got assigned for updates, a quick ticket and that was resolved each time. I however have left them for a more personalized tune.

I dont think Alex was there when I got my initial tunes then updates. Probably a pre-canned tune as I didnt have anything exotic.

I do have to say while I was disappointed in their tuning, Ive had good luck with their parts. Very pleased with their triple pass HE and their upgraded S/C tensioner.

 

[gimmie11s]

Jon Lund Jr is tuning my car which is a custom twin turbo kit on a 2018 mustang.

On the FIRST base tune, the car idled amazing and low speed drivability was equal to or better than when the car was NA. I was truly amazed.

I honestly had a rougher time getting Jon to agree to tune my car in the first place than getting the tune nailed down.

He has always a replied to my emails within an hour (sometimes 1/2 hour) and gives honest opinions with the understanding that if you (me) screwed up something on the install then it’s on you.

And I did foul some stuff up on the install that he found and had me correct.


He also tuned my 07 GT500 that also drove as good or better than stock.

No complaints!


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[SonicDTR]

The key is the "custom" part of tuning. I've seen dyno shops slap a canned tune on a car, dyno it, and send them on their way. That will be inferior to a properly logged remote tune. Whether they're looking at their laptop while sitting in the car on a dyno, or in their office chair remotely, it is the same data. Lots of folks even do remote dyno tuning, often done when you can find a local dyno, but no specialist for your vehicle.

Also keep in mind a remote tune will typically be datalogged under real world conditions(street/track), rather than a dyno. My terminator didn't pick up any power, but the drivability was far better when I went from a dyno to a street logged tune. If you go with a local dyno tuner, they probably won't look at your track datalogs and adjust the tune, remote will.

 

[69b302]

A mail order tune will be fine for a common combination. Don’t buy a device locked to a single tuner, and be prepared to go change tuners, if for some reason they are not getting it right. The factory widebands and knock sensors make it pretty safe, but they can still screw up drivability.

 

[TVSed GT]

I am VMP tuned and ecstatic with the whole process and result. Car has stock like manners and screams when you get in it. Will never go elsewhere for tuning. Just my opinion.

 

[SirShaun]

Been pretty happy with VMP. Car is still together, and I get the carbon out quite a bit. 21lbs, 93 octane, at sea level, that's saying something lol.

First tune ran good (686/700), data logged it on my buddies dyno, got a tune revision back (haven't hit the dyno ), and found out I was running out of fuel pump up top. ID1000's made it safe though, still haven't boosted the pumps, but it was nice of them to tell me.

Mail order tunes are typically on the safe side, accounting for a tank of bad gas here and there regarding timing. In short, they lower the timing up to a few degrees when compared to a dyno tune. Seems to be pretty common to pickup 20hp~ or so with an actual dyno tune.


One thing you will notice and which may make the car feel wrong, is colder plugs. Your car has two fuel loops, one for warming up (open loop), one once at temp (closed loop), could be wrong on names but think of it as a choke. It's not my first car with colder plugs, but i've noticed when the car is open loop warming up, it drops RPMs really fast, basically lose all rpm's between shifts, can even feel it breaking up a bit in the lower rpms. Once she is warm though, perfect. I think this just comes with the territory of colder plugs.

 

[06torchredgt]

Feel free to reach out to me for an honest assessment of your options. 90 percent of the custom tuning that I provide is "remote". In the past week I have tuned vehicles from Hawaii to Qatar, all from our offices in Inverness Florida.

352-800-4407 9a-5p eastern Monday through Friday

Www.venomoustuning.com

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Do you provide remote tuning services for 2005-10 Mustang 4.6L 3v applications? After looking over your website, I don't see anything listed for the 2005-10 4.6L 3 valves.

 

[Chersch7406]

VMP if I didn't have a tuner closer for an actual dyno tune. Everything that comes from them or is worked on by them is top notch!

 

[06torchredgt]

My question, however, was directed towards BJ@Venomous Tuning lol.