Uh, and one of the largest concentrations of aerospace tech and military....
Colorado just ended Qualified Immunity for Law Enforcement
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Yeah too bad
Yeah too bad all those Cockroaches moved to California in the60’s 70’s & 80’s from all The other states and ruined a great state.
I think cops should start suing every person that resists arrest. All the wear and tear and stress from fighting adds up over the years.
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Well, no offense to cops, my best bud is local Detective.... but you pretty much describe the status quo with that statement. I mean, cops simply can't be everywhere at once. They get a call, it takes average 10 min response time... and by then, as you say "the crime has been committed".
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It really is a tough job, and knowing what the risk to do it is even more evident they deserve some help legally. A few bad apples like in Minn should have set off a nationwide Leftist meltdown. Which led to the dregs of society to riot and start acting a fool... which led cops to essentially say "**** it, Im not getting Chauvin'ed".
Now, because the "woke" politicians want to send a message, cops are definitely saying "Hell naw, Im not getting Rofle'd" And thats the real tragedy here: good cops arent going to put themselves into a bad spot, even if it means civilians will bear the brunt of it.
I sure hope Im wrong. I REALLY hope Im wrong. I supposed only time will tell.
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"QI" essentially means "I am not responsible no matter how incompetent I am."
The more I think about QI the less it makes sense to me.
Essentially the argument is that it is necessary because without it there would be no way that incompetent morons would become cops. And apparently we need incompetent morons or else no one would join the force.
But there are many many occupations in which a ****up by a single person has tremendous ramifications. Think surgeons, airplane pilots, pension managers, etc. And yet we deal with this through liability insurance.
Why are cops an exception? My guess is that it is the strength of police unions (**** public employee unions while we are at it).
Would you get an a plane if pilots had qualified immunity?
The more I think about QI the less it makes sense to me.
Essentially the argument is that it is necessary because without it there would be no way that incompetent morons would become cops. And apparently we need incompetent morons or else no one would join the force.
But there are many many occupations in which a ****up by a single person has tremendous ramifications. Think surgeons, airplane pilots, pension managers, etc. And yet we deal with this through liability insurance.
Why are cops an exception? My guess is that it is the strength of police unions (**** public employee unions while we are at it).
Would you get an a plane if pilots had qualified immunity?
But surgeons do have sort of a qualified immunity.
A few years back my mother had surgery, a few days post op she started getting really sick and was taken by ambulance to the hospital she just had surgery at. The surgeon that did the surgery saw her and blew it off as unrelated. My father raised hell which ended up getting her lifeflighted to another hospital. When she got to the second hospital they ran tests and found the surgeon left a lap pad inside her and she was in septic shock. The surgeon was never held responsible because she didn’t die so it was “no harm no foul”.
One transplant surgeon I worked with consistently had poor outcomes. I was consistently using multiple times more blood products than with the two other transplant surgeons and their cases. This was for a specific transplant. He got his surgical privileges suspended for a short time but nothing else.
These are not isolated incidents.
We have a lot of examples of teachers being protected too.
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So, they would be liable for 5% or $25k, whichever is less of the suit, and the Police dept covers the rest.
Should make the police unions foot the bill.
Should make the police unions foot the bill.
If you haven't noticed, there are MANY Republicans in Name Only these days.
You can blame Democrats and Liberals until the cows come home, but both parties need a good cleansing.
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welp Colorado just became the next Soymalia...
seriously dude, how many times do I need to post this paragraph from the bill for you not to read it? 5% or $25k or the officer simply declares bankruptcy.
The bill requires a political subdivision of the state to indemnify its employees for such a claim; except that if the peace officer's employer determines the officer did not act upon a good faith and reasonable belief that the action was lawful, then the peace officer is personally liable for 5 percent of the judgment or $25,000, whichever is less, unless the judgment is uncollectible from the officer, then the officer's employer satisfies the whole judgment .
First of all the officer would have to be found guilty criminally and the cops agency would have to find that he acted in bad faith. We've all seen the tape of Atlanta. I'm not sure they're going to be able to find that cop guilty of anything.
we hear these complaints from police departments and police officers every time there's complaints about their behavior and restrictions on them beating protesters, having to give up no knock warrants, etc. The main complaint being that cops will just simply stop doing their jobs. I've been listening to cops wine about this shit, and so is everyone else on this board, for at least 20 years now. As far as I can tell cops keep showing up to work and keep doing their job for better for worse.
News flash for cops. Number one, we are not in a Machiavellian society in the ends do not justify the means. Number two, you really think cops are just going to walkaway from their cushy pensions and find some other job but the same benefits? number three, you think the majority of cops in the country are going to simply advocate their duty and get away with it? they'd simply be fired and replaced with new cops who were willing to do their job. We've got roughly 30 or 40 million Americans unemployed currently. you don't think a few of them would be willing to be cops to replace people walking off the job?
News flash for cops. Number one, we are not in a Machiavellian society in the ends do not justify the means. Number two, you really think cops are just going to walkaway from their cushy pensions and find some other job but the same benefits? number three, you think the majority of cops in the country are going to simply advocate their duty and get away with it? they'd simply be fired and replaced with new cops who were willing to do their job. We've got roughly 30 or 40 million Americans unemployed currently. you don't think a few of them would be willing to be cops to replace people walking off the job?
I am not sure that you would be able to tell if cops are actually not doing their jobs. Google clearance rates for various crimes. They are abysmal. Only 10% of property crimes are solved. Less than 50% of violent crimes are solved.
It's a little more complex than you are making it out to be. Not only are they subject to the 25k the law also mandates that they be decertified by the state.It's not just for a criminal conviction it's also mandated if they are found liable civilly. If a cop acted in bad faith and is guilty of criminal conduct I don't think anyone would argue against that since the standard of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil matter it's a much lower standard of proof and who is to say the city or insurance company won't just settle the matter to make it go away. Does that leave the cop subject to decertification if they settle the lawsuit? Nobody knows the answers yet because this law was written in a week and they didn't consider a lot of repercussions.
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I dislike my Governor. He's Pelosi lite. Whoever said the Cali liberals moved in and ruined the state is correct. Hopefully my state is in for a correction in November.
If anyone is curious, here's a LEO discussion about it and a lawyer also gives a break down of what passed
Colorado Qualified Immunity
Colorado Qualified Immunity
They're screwed.
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I agree 100 w the OP. This allows frivolous law suits. Even if the law and the department say the LEO did nothing wrong the POS bad guy can now sue. This is def very bad!!!!!
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