My body, my choice

[ssj4sadie]

I know this is true, but if we are trying to pretend that contraception failure is the main culprit for abortions then a lawsuit needs to be filed against the people that make them. The failure rate required would have to be well beyond what is advertised.

I would be cool with that particularly if abortion does get outlawed in a state. But we know that isn’t going to happen. I’m not pretending that is the main contributor. But we can’t lump the likes of that **** that has had 21+ abortions and young uneducated women together. Doing that is the same as touting toxic masculinity.

 

[SolarYellow]

So as opposed to a 1-time payment you would rather have 18+ years of payment from your tax dollars?

Therein lies the problem. Negligence is rewarded by the left. Have a child due to your naviety or immaturity, no problem. We will reward you with "benefits." If people were made responsible for their errors, you'd see change.

I have a difficult time taking anyone serious who can't buy a rubber or use other methods not to impregnate. Someone who can't use sense should have his/her opinion taken into account?

Personally? I think the world suffers a great deal from certain air breathers who should have been aborted.

 

[Blown 89]

Can’t argue against your last point. BC can **** with a woman pretty hard, so I don’t expect that to be the standard choice. Condoms break, you should notice this, but mistakes can be made there. You say it’s rare, but I can point to a lot of people this happened to. Whether they ended up getting an abortion is irrelevant to “all the right choices” debate.

I would love to see the actual numbers of pregnancies due to failure rates of contraceptives and would also like to see the numbers on women that can't take birth control. I imagine they are exceedingly rare. Broad sweeping Federal policies made to cover exceedingly rare events isn't good policy IMO.

The country needs to have an honest conversation about these topics and pointing to statistically insignificant cases or ignoring the inherent risks of an activity shouldn't be part of that.

 

[ssj4sadie]

Therein lies the problem. Negligence is rewarded by the left. Have a child due to your naviety or immaturity, no problem. We will reward you with "benefits." If people were made responsible for their errors, you'd see change.

I have a difficult time taking anyone serious who can't buy a rubber or use other methods not to impregnate. Someone who can't use sense should have his/her opinion taken into account?

Personally? I think the world suffers a great deal from certain air breathers who should have been aborted.

I know dudes who purposely lied about wearing a condom and women that lie about being on bc. Those welfare/tax incentives have zero impact on their decisions. I support abortion in their case.

Again, I’m not for late term abortions. I think there is a reasonable point somewhere in there.

 

[ssj4sadie]

I would love to see the actual numbers of pregnancies due to failure rates of contraceptives and would also like to see the numbers on women that can't take birth control. I imagine they are exceedingly rare. Broad sweeping Federal policies made to cover exceedingly rare events isn't good policy IMO.

The country needs to have an honest conversation about these topics and pointing to statistically insignificant cases or ignoring the inherent risks of an activity shouldn't be part of that.

Those are unreasonable numbers to try and justify your argument though as there are too many variables. Anecdotal sure, but my ex-wife’s system got wrecked because of birth control. I disagree about federal policy covering specific things as bad policy.

Look at my reply to Stanley about lumping things together.

 

[jpro]

Just a couple of tidbits of information as we continue to discuss this topic:

1. For people who think that there are a ton of abortions as a result of rape/incest, 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest. (source: 2019 Article from USA Today)
2. 25% of pregnant women opt for abortion (that is staggering IMO). Who are these women? Mostly young (in their 20's), 54% weren't using BC, and most were from a low income bracket (source: CBS News article)

 

[tones_RS3]

I think inflation is transitory too, and I'm fine with gas prices... in fact I want to see $6/ gallon to give people something to actually bxtch about.

Really?!?!? You like a higher cost of living???
Weird. lol

 

[JAJ]

That's a flawed argument. There are many, many choices that occur before someone gets to the choice to abort. Nobody is being stripped of choices.

So, the state can strip you of one choice and you don't object. Where do you start objecting? Two? Three? A thousand?

 

[VegasMichael]

All of this is moot if you piihb.

 

[Zemedici]

Can’t argue against your last point. BC can **** with a woman pretty hard, so I don’t expect that to be the standard choice. Condoms break, you should notice this, but mistakes can be made there. You say it’s rare, but I can point to a lot of people this happened to. Whether they ended up getting an abortion is irrelevant to “all the right choices” debate.

sure it CAN, but there are plenty of BC options. Its medicine, if you get weird side effects, try a different medication.

Vasectomy
Condoms
Point and shoot
Spermocidal lubricant

Number of contraceptives available nowadays are ASTOUNDING.

Abortion being used as a first form of contraception is a morality issue in this country.

BC and Condoms should ABSOLUTELY be standard choice. If you dont want condoms, point and shoot. For gods sake its ****ing free.

 

[SolarYellow]

I know dudes who purposely lied about wearing a condom and women that lie about being on bc. Those welfare/tax incentives have zero impact on their decisions. I support abortion in their case.

Again, I’m not for late term abortions. I think there is a reasonable point somewhere in there.

The % of people who lied about contraception thus ending up pregnant or impregnating is unknown at least to me but I doubt that is how the majority of welfare dependents were created. Stupid people doing stupid things seems the obvious answer. If government handouts and "benefits" weren't appealing I'd think we'd see even more abortions than we do.

The abortion question doesn't have an obvious answer or even an easy answer but what does seem certain is how both the left and right ignore some obvious issues pertaining to abortion. One side doesn't care if the abortion is performed where certain medical or incestual matters arise and the other seems not to care when the abortion is performed or how it substitutes for b.c. or the lack of responsibility.

 

[BrunotheBoxer]

Some people think it’s okay to stick a hoover up some girls **** and pull a baby out.
Me. I say it’s murder.
Also I’m so glad I live in Florida so when the baby murderers want to protest in the streets and make me late for the gym, beach or pick up my vitamin T I can legally run them over and smash their guts all over the Tamiami highway. Ded. Fkn. Srs.

Don’t like it. **** you then.

 

[Zemedici]

I know dudes who purposely lied about wearing a condom and women that lie about being on bc.

These are not sane nor adult decisions, and these individuals will always end up where they will end up.

 

[Stanley]

Back in the day I had a gf that was on the pill and I just assumed she wasn't smart enough to take it correctly so I still used a condom just in case.

 

[Zemedici]

Back in the day I had a gf that was on the pill and I just assumed she wasn't smart enough to take it correctly so I still used a condom just in case.

as you should - smart man

bitches be all fine and dandy 'yeah i took it' - when they'll literally lose their cell phone if it wasnt attached to them 24/7. My wife used to lose her debit card constantly. SUUUUUUUURE you took the pill lolol

Its only YOUR responsibility to look out for you. No one elses.

 

[gimmie11s]

Some people think it’s okay to stick a hoover up some girls **** and pull a baby out.
Me. I say it’s murder.
Also I’m so glad I live in Florida so when the baby murderers want to protest in the streets and make me late for the gym, beach or pick up my vitamin T I can legally run them over and smash their guts all over the Tamiami highway. Ded. Fkn. Srs.

Don’t like it. **** you then.

Lmfao! I love you. That is all.


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[03cobra#694]

Some people think it’s okay to stick a hoover up some girls **** and pull a baby out.
Me. I say it’s murder.
Also I’m so glad I live in Florida so when the baby murderers want to protest in the streets and make me late for the gym, beach or pick up my vitamin T I can legally run them over and smash their guts all over the Tamiami highway. Ded. Fkn. Srs.

Don’t like it. **** you then.

No you can’t run them over legally. Collier County Sheriffs will be all over your ass.

Lmfao! I love you. That is all.


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We all love Bruno.

 

[VegasMichael]

Whatever happened to the Morning After Pill?

 

[Blown 89]

So, the state can strip you of one choice and you don't object. Where do you start objecting? Two? Three? A thousand?

The supreme court isn't stripping anyone of the choice, they're giving it back to the states to decide.

 

[BrunotheBoxer]

No you can’t run them over legally. Collier County Sheriffs will be all over your ass.

We all love Bruno.

The way I interpret the law was any protest in a legal roadway that blocks traffic grants the driver civil immunity if they drive into said protesters.
Of course you’re gonna have to lawyer up and defend yourself in court but so far the anti riot law is working as it should.