Yep, I get about 24 around town with my 2.7.
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$1600 in a Livernois tune/larger intercooler on a 2.7/3.5 versus $9100+ on a Whipple or VMP Odin kit?
Pretty odd comparison there. How about $1500 in parts on 2.7/3.5 F150 vs $1500 in parts on a 5.0 F150?
I would sacrifice the sound for towing ability. I drove 3 powertrains before settling on the 2.7. The powerboost was too expensive due to it being a Limited F150, the 5.0L felt like it was sluggish off the line/midrange and the 2.7L felt the best where i needed it, low down and mid range power.
People tune and tow with the Ecoboost all the time?
Gotta have something if i dont have the exhaust note.
Enlighten me on peak power numbers for a $1500 “tuned” 2.7 Ecoboost.
Also, I can supercharge a 5.0L for a shit ton lower than 9 Grand.
Soooo $1500 gets you 50hp with a peak of 368rwhp?
LMMFAO. please stop.
777RWHP on a 2.65 Odin.....
We're not even discussing shit in the same league.
The 5.0L Coyote is a FAR SUPERIOR Platform.
These are the facts, and they are undisputed.
I see dynos between 340rwhp and 380rwhp on tune only 2.7L Ecoboost trucks. Torque between 400wtq to 450wtq from 2500-5500rpm. This is for the 2020 and earlier trucks.
SCT hasnt released the X4 yet for the 2021+ trucks so no idea on MPT/5 Star will get out of a tune only Ecoboost. Livernois dynoed the 2021+ 2.7 at 318rwhp/396wtq stock and then made 368rwhp/445wtq on a 93 octane tune. Peak torque comes in right at 3000rpm. Livernois tune is $799 on the website for the 2.7 Ecoboost.
The 3.5EB and Powerboost make significantly more power. Think i saw the Powerboost picks up over 100rwhp/90rwtq with a tune.
How much cheaper can you supercharge a 5.0L for? I am not discounting you but i find kits are between $8000-$10,000 from the vendors.
I personally dont want a boosted daily (even if it's OEM forced induction) out of warranty so that makes the ecoboost f150 or even then new 4 cylinder rangers not an option. I feel with boosted vehicles, there's far more potential for expensive repairs down the road.
After watching some of the older yolo pod cast, the 10r80 doesnt seem to hold up well under a lot of power.
After watching some of the older yolo pod cast, the 10r80 doesnt seem to hold up well under a lot of power.
That is a $9200 kit you keep posting on.
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And from what im reading that $9200 doesnt include a tune?
Even the cheaper supercharger kits are $7000+ for a basic kit.
Im not discounting the 5.0 with a supercharger is faster than a tune/intercooler 2.7. That is a no-brainer situation. But the price difference is nearly 10x the cost.
That is a $9200 kit you keep posting on.
VMP ODIN Supercharger Kit (2015-2017 F150 5.0L) VMP-SK1517FODIN
Beefcake Racing specializes in supercharging and turbocharging your late model Mustang, Shelby GT350, GT500, Corvette, Camaro, Hemi or Truck.
And from what im reading that $9200 doesnt include a tune?
Even the cheaper supercharger kits are $7000+ for a basic kit.
Im not discounting the 5.0 with a supercharger is faster than a tune/intercooler 2.7. That is a no-brainer situation. But the price difference is nearly 10x the cost.
If money is an issue for you it might be best to go with an inferior platform best suited to your budgetary constraints.
As for how much cheaper, Rough estimate:
a used 2.3L TVS MIGHT run you $1500-2000
Intake manifold for Coyote from VMP roughly $1000-1500
TB:$400-600
Tune: $750
JLT Intake: $400
Self installed: Free
Probably around 5,000 to get 600 RWHP.
Now to meet the same bullshit numbers from a tuned 2.7?
I can do that with under $2000 in bolt ons and a tune.
Please stop.
The coyote is a far superior platform compared to the 2.7L Ecoboost.
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You keep going big money extreme Rambo supercharged 5.0L madness. Think of us in the "If money is an issue for you it might be best to go with an inferior platform best suited to your budgetary constraints." tax bracket. We can only afford the basic tune/intercooler combo. I tried an inferior platform before from Chevrolet. Cant go back there.
If i had an unlimited budget for a daily driver it would be a built 5.0L w/ Whipple, built transmission and full suspension. But i dont.
Isn't it common, accepted knowledge that a Coyote with forced induction generally produces power in a different realm as compared to a V6 with a pair a teeny snails hanging off the sides?
I'm not really sure what the debate is about at this point. Cost to mod versus peak RWHP maybe? I think perhaps what Kevin is trying to say is that you get more initial bang for the mod buck from an Eco, but the 5.0 ultimately has the last laugh once you add forced induction. Yeah, you can get aftermarket turbos for a 2.7 and make ~550rwhp on E, but by the time you're done adding up all the costs involved, you could have sc'd 5.0 and made plenty more power.
Didn't 5-Star do a drag strip comparison of the 2.7/3.5/5.0 in which the 5.0 was the slowest? Then they tuned them and got the same result. I didn't find it surprising nor do I think that means the 5.0 sucks. Tune the 5.0 on E85 and it probably smokes the other two trucks. If you're buying an F150 with the specific intent to mod and make power, the 5.0 is the easy choice. If you want an F150 that fits your needs and maybe you'll fart with it a little, an Ecoboost version is probably enough for you. How much power do you ultimately desire? The choice is yours to make.
I think the hangup is that most people aren't going to mod either platform so their engine choice comes down to which best suits their needs. Most people use their trucks as commuter vehicles and family haulers which is likely why there's been an observable increase in the full 4-door cabs and shorter beds over the last 15 or so years. Historically, it seemed a truck came with a V8 and that's all there was to it. But nowadays, whether we like it or not, Ford options the Ecoboost motors in the F150; we all know why.
For the record, mine is a company vehicle so I only got a say in the color, not the engine or features. And, even though I'm not supposed to, I played with it anyway both to make it my own and because I couldn't not do something. It goes pretty good for what it is. I'm contemplating an E85 tune just cuz I have enough fuel system for it and I know a guy. lol
I'm not really sure what the debate is about at this point. Cost to mod versus peak RWHP maybe? I think perhaps what Kevin is trying to say is that you get more initial bang for the mod buck from an Eco, but the 5.0 ultimately has the last laugh once you add forced induction. Yeah, you can get aftermarket turbos for a 2.7 and make ~550rwhp on E, but by the time you're done adding up all the costs involved, you could have sc'd 5.0 and made plenty more power.
Didn't 5-Star do a drag strip comparison of the 2.7/3.5/5.0 in which the 5.0 was the slowest? Then they tuned them and got the same result. I didn't find it surprising nor do I think that means the 5.0 sucks. Tune the 5.0 on E85 and it probably smokes the other two trucks. If you're buying an F150 with the specific intent to mod and make power, the 5.0 is the easy choice. If you want an F150 that fits your needs and maybe you'll fart with it a little, an Ecoboost version is probably enough for you. How much power do you ultimately desire? The choice is yours to make.
I think the hangup is that most people aren't going to mod either platform so their engine choice comes down to which best suits their needs. Most people use their trucks as commuter vehicles and family haulers which is likely why there's been an observable increase in the full 4-door cabs and shorter beds over the last 15 or so years. Historically, it seemed a truck came with a V8 and that's all there was to it. But nowadays, whether we like it or not, Ford options the Ecoboost motors in the F150; we all know why.
For the record, mine is a company vehicle so I only got a say in the color, not the engine or features. And, even though I'm not supposed to, I played with it anyway both to make it my own and because I couldn't not do something. It goes pretty good for what it is. I'm contemplating an E85 tune just cuz I have enough fuel system for it and I know a guy. lol
I can totally understand that. But it really doesn’t take much to make a Coyote run and you can go nuts without tearing into that engine at all.
And honestly I’m just breaking balls. The 2.7 is a good engine. It’s a capable truck. I just totally despised the sound.
I don't understand why people change the cat-backs on them. There's one of those Shelby Raptors in my area that sounds like frozen dog turds in a coffee can getting kicked down the road.
I really don’t know. They sound like complete ass.
Same reason why 90's Civic owners ran with straight pipping.
I dont think ive ever heard one EB engine that actually sounded good with exhaust including the Ford GT. One of the reason why im keeping the exhaust stock on our 20 Explorer, just not a fan.
I told myself that if I ever did the downpipes that I'd keep the stock cat-back. Problem is that I like the look of AFE's dual black tips that side exit before the rear wheel. ha
Glad to see some real experience in a thread full of arm chair idiots lol. Glad it is performing as advertised for you. Crazy that you drove almost 500mi as the range was supposed to be only 300mi iirc.
I don’t own an EV but I certainly wouldn’t mind one as a DD. I would never travel more than 500mi in a day so it would be easy for me to plug it in and charge it once a week at night. If I ever did travel more than 500mi I’d wanna stop for an hr anyway so that time charging wouldn’t be an issue for me either. I’ve seen plenty of Rivian’s and Lucid Air’s around me but not one lightning.
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When the EB raptor came out, a guy at the local cigar lounge picked one up. I remember listening to it drive away and said to my wife "that doesn't sound terrible, just doesn't sound good."
Then he went and did an exhaust on it and ruined everything.
Here's the thing: Most people won't ever s/c their n/a engine (no matter how much they yap about it) and that may be due to financial, mechanical or other restraints. All things considered it will be 100 times easier and more common to plug an accessport or whatever into the obd2 and add a sufficient increase in power than it is to take on a herculean task by completely changing the engine.
$5k for toys in a vehicle, with a note on it, is a big deal to many. Taking it in for warranty work with a large blower on it is also a big deal to many.
With everything there exists pros and cons and that is true for either engine you folks are arguing over.
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