The new 5.0 4 valve ford will force us to uprgade our 99-01 powerplants!

[97desertCobra]

The new power is great to see from my favorite auto manufacturer. 400HP n/a is awesome. Remember the early 5.0 days of trying to mod to get over 200rwhp? I wonder if they'll have a n/a GT500 6.2? That would be the direction I'd like to see them take.

If its a 6.2 DOHC that revs to 7k rpms and makes 500 hp n/a that would be ****ing sick. It would kinda be Fords answer to the LS7. But honestly I see Ford putting a TT ecoboost 5.0 DOHC in a Cobra before a DOHC n/a 6.2.

 

[Quadcammer]

Well luckily we don't drive powertrains. I'm sure if we did you would be rockin the LSX instead of that Kraut.

Cool, except that a mustang is just a crappy car with a decent engine. Judging by 90% of the posts in these forums, people are looking for big hp. The LSX makes more power easier than the mod motor. Hell, if I needed to, I would have thrown an LSX into the mustang.

No one cares about GM or LS1, 2 or whatever here.
Ford rocks.

Obviously some people do, or else we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[ttbit]

Cool, except that a mustang is just a crappy car with a decent engine.

Funny how this thread went from 2011 tech to 1970's Fox design comparison and the old arguments the engines.

I take it you are talking about the old-school Fox/sn95 platform? Also, you mean crap for the street, or a track with curves?

These cars NEED the aftermarket, and that they have.

 

[Quadcammer]

Funny how this thread went from 2011 tech to 1970's Fox design comparison and the old arguments the engines.

I take it you are talking about the old-school Fox/sn95 platform? Also, you mean crap for the street, or a track with curves?

These cars NEED the aftermarket, and that they have.

Its not just the mustang itself, its the whole class of cars (camaro and challenger included). They are cheap relatively flimsy cars with powerful engines.

They are ok on the street, but they absolutely need a LOT of the aftermarket.

 

[na svt]

There is no need for more displacement.
GM still plays that game...

There is no need for FORD factory displacement to beat GM's antiquated
pushrod motors. Way to take things out of context.

Look at what you stated. Did I take it out of context?

Hell, an antiquated pushrod HCI LS1 makes more power than your Boss330 5.4.

The LSs have been beating up on the mod motors for years and Furthermore, pushrods are old technology but they work and the LS's have proven that.
If a larger CI engine wasn't beneficial then you and Al P. would be running 4.6s.

Ford's power and displacements strategy has worked itself out in the marketplace.
GM = FAIL GM LOST big time with the clunky old NVH monster Camaros and Fireturds. Bigger pushrod motors did not save those cars. It didn't save Pontiac as a whole either. Now, GM is going with the same old failed strategy AGAIN.
And again they will fail.

It's not the engines that killed the Camaros and Firebirds. The Corvette uses the same old pushrod engine and it holds its own against those high dollar cars that use the so called "higher technology" engines. It's proven that you don't need four cams or even an overhead cams engine to go fast, get good mileage or make a lot of power.

It all comes down to what you like, you like Ford. I like anything that makes power, esepcially those that make good power for little money.

 

[birdman941]

The same negativity from the same players every time.
Never actually accomplishing anything on their own,
only leeching off what others have done.
Thank GOD for ignore lists.
Now, back to the 5.0 4 valve Ford engine in the 2011 Mustang!

 

[01bluesnake]

I laugh at people when they think 93 octane is not able to run 11.1 or more, but not trying to disrespect in any way. That's where imports teach the domestic's some things. plenty of cars come with 10.5 and more from the factory on top of which blowers and and turbo's are popped on. i have friends running upwards of 12.3 comp on 93 octane, putting 230whp on a n/a 2.0L with mild cams, also a stock engine s2000 running 9lbs of boost through a comptech blower putting down 360rwhp, i had my stock bottom end 00 civic si running 11lbs on a 35r as well and ran 12.2 on 7lbs on 93 octane. a good tune will get you very far. my civic si (160 crank hp stock) on 7lbs laid down over 300whp, which is more than double than what the car lays down stock. 93 octane can go very far when tuned correct.

As far as the new 5.0 stang goes, i love the look of the cars except for the rear, not so much. it's looks to be pushed to the max as far a engine modding goes from reading the tech write up on the engine. i'm sure you can squeeze more out of it, but how much will be the Q. the weight alone with give us a better chance at stomping it, and most modded NE's should. i love when "fast" cars come out and all the yuppies (money happy tards) buy them and think they are on top of the world till they start getting stopped. i remember how tough people thought they were with the new Nissan gt35, but shortly learned not much modding could be done to make much faster than stock without paying the price of blowing transmission's, and that there are faster cars out there for the money with more potential. All i know is this summer will be fun.

 

[na svt]

Never actually accomplishing anything on their own, only leeching off what others have done.
Thank GOD for ignore lists.

I know what you mean. :rollseyes

Back to the discussion...

 

[ttbit]

Its not just the mustang itself, its the whole class of cars (camaro and challenger included). They are cheap relatively flimsy cars with powerful engines.

The 2006 I had was light-years ahead of the '99 I have now. Have you driven and worked with the new Mustangs??? ???

 

[Quadcammer]

I know what you mean. :rollseyes

Back to the discussion...

No kidding

The 2006 I had was light-years ahead of the '99 I have now. Have you driven and worked with the new Mustangs??? ???

Yeah. The new car is stiffer but its still cheaply assembled and not set up very well at all in stock form.

 

[cobraracer46]

Cool, except that a mustang is just a crappy car with a decent engine. Judging by 90% of the posts in these forums, people are looking for big hp. The LSX makes more power easier than the mod motor. Hell, if I needed to, I would have thrown an LSX into the mustang.

The mustang is a fantastic car with an incredible engine! Sure the LS series GM engines are good, but as good as they are, a lot of people throw away the factory intake and heads and replace them with aftermarket versions. Really there is nothing wrong with the Ford 99-01 modular Cobra engines and all they need is a bump in compression, head port work and some cams. The one thing that amazes me about the Modular cobra engines is the amount of factory parts that can be reused.
Let's not forget about the 2000R 5.4, the Ford GT supercar 5.4 and the terminator 4.6 engines. All of them are fantastic engines.

Of course, getting back to the point of this thread, Ford finally got it right with a mass produced N/A modular engine with class leading power and economy and in the long run, that benefits us New edge guys!

As for the mustang being a crappy car, you are smoking crack. It is a fantastic car and it easily outsold the Camaro and firebird cars combined!
The mustang continues to be a leading vehicle in the performance aftermarket!

Quadcammer will also be saddened no doubt that at this year's Virginia city hill climb in Nevada put on by the Ferrari club, a Ferrari did not get the fastest time, the dodge Vipers, did not get the fastest time of the event. No vehicles from GM got the fastest time of the event. The car with the fastest lap in the hill climb was .... you guessed it, a Ford mustang!:rockon:

Yup, I'm a Ford nutswinger all day every day.:rockon::beer::dancenana:

Now back to the topic at hand...

 

[tistan]

My cobra is 10 years old now and only has 44k miles on it. It rattles,creaks, and squeeks. It is a pretty crappy built car, but I still have fun with it.

 

[Black Talon]

Cool, except that a mustang is just a crappy car with a decent engine. Judging by 90% of the posts in these forums, people are looking for big hp. The LSX makes more power easier than the mod motor. Hell, if I needed to, I would have thrown an LSX into the mustang.




Obviously some people do, or else we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I am not gonna say that you are wrong, but god damn you are annoying.

 

[Quadcammer]

The mustang is a fantastic car with an incredible engine! Sure the LS series GM engines are good, but as good as they are, a lot of people throw away the factory intake and heads and replace them with aftermarket versions. Really there is nothing wrong with the Ford 99-01 modular Cobra engines and all they need is a bump in compression, head port work and some cams. The one thing that amazes me about the Modular cobra engines is the amount of factory parts that can be reused.
Let's not forget about the 2000R 5.4, the Ford GT supercar 5.4 and the terminator 4.6 engines. All of them are fantastic engines.

Of course, getting back to the point of this thread, Ford finally got it right with a mass produced N/A modular engine with class leading power and economy and in the long run, that benefits us New edge guys!

As for the mustang being a crappy car, you are smoking crack. It is a fantastic car and it easily outsold the Camaro and firebird cars combined!
The mustang continues to be a leading vehicle in the performance aftermarket!

Awesome, you add ported heads, add compression with new pistons, and some cams to a 99 cobra motor. You'll then make 360rwhp. The same an ls1 makes with full exhaust and some bolt ons.

The 5.0 motor makes 410bhp. The camaro ss makes 425bhp. How is the mustang leading the class in power?

The mustang is a mediocre car with a decent engine at a fantastic price. nothing more, nothing less. It leads the automotive aftermarket because it needs so many parts to be a good performer

My cobra is 10 years old now and only has 44k miles on it. It rattles,creaks, and squeeks. It is a pretty crappy built car, but I still have fun with it.

Absolutely, they are fun cars.

 

[cobraracer46]

No one cares about GM or LS1, 2 or whatever here.
Ford rocks.



That's OK, we have Al and John.

:rockon::rockon:

 

[cobraracer46]

My cobra is 10 years old now and only has 44k miles on it. It rattles,creaks, and squeeks. It is a pretty crappy built car, but I still have fun with it.

My 01 Cobra convertible has 65,000 miles on it and it is squeak and rattle free!:rockon:

 

[CobraRed01]

My Cobra's almost 9 years old (49K miles)...no squeaks, rattles...still rides tight. Happy camper.

If obnoxious, demeaning arrogance is a prerequisite for owning a German sports car....you can stick it up your ass. Got it....mustang 99. Thought you said "Goodbye :cryying:"...Quad.

 

[cobraracer46]

Awesome, you add ported heads, add compression with new pistons, and some cams to a 99 cobra motor. You'll then make 360rwhp. The same an ls1 makes with full exhaust and some bolt ons.

The 5.0 motor makes 410bhp. The camaro ss makes 425bhp. How is the mustang leading the class in power?

The mustang is a mediocre car with a decent engine at a fantastic price. nothing more, nothing less. It leads the automotive aftermarket because it needs so many parts to be a good performer




Absolutely, they are fun cars.

Well, I do have a Vortech T trim sitting in my garage and these 4 valves respond very well to boost and compression. Eventually, the engine in my Cobra will have both.:burnout::dancenana:

On a side note, the Ford DOHC modular engine looks like a work of art unlike the GM unit.

Now if the mustang is such a mediocre car, how come the winning car at the Virginia city hill climb( a 3.5 mile road race on a twisty nevada public highway that attracts a lot of heavy hitting European machinery) last few years running has been a Mustang.?

If the mustang is such a mediocre car, how come the automotive press (non ford rags)gave the 2000R, terminator rave reviews? Car and Driver gave the 2001 a Good review by the way.

Speaking of the 2000R, that had to be the slickest muscle car to ever come out of detroit. A truly fantastic and out of the ordinary one in a million car. I'll own one some day.

So you sold your Mustang and bought a Porsche, well hats off to you.
As for me, I'm not interested in a Porsche, not even if some one wanted to swap may car for one. The cars that are on my list are the 2000R and 2010 GT500.:beer:

 

[01bluesnake]

I'm a mustang man all the way, but like and respect all cars equally. I fell in love with stang's when i was little and my neighbor bought a new white 87 or 88 gt hatch. everyday i use to look at that car, and when i finally turned 17 my first car was a white 92 gt hatch in 1999.

it would be interesting to see if someone will make adapter plates to run the 5.0 mani on our 4.6's if it flows very good. looks badass, reminds me of the SHO mani. I'm sure the market will be slow on this as it is on ours, so we should have plenty of time to hold off from getting our a**s handed to us for a little while.

 

[olgreydog7]

Quad, please find me a new car that has a tight chassis, lots of power, and quality interior for the price of a Mustang/Camaro/Challenger. They are MEANT to be cheaply built. They are not an M3/S6/911. Do you bitch that your $1 Micky D's cheesburger isn't Kobe beef quality too?