Hunting a P0300... Need help

RedVenom48

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*current maintenance on car: Oil change to Amsoil 5W-50, Trans rebuild (dealer) MGW shifter and Amsoil signature ATF, Motorcraft SP-405 (all) gapped to .035". Airaid replacement filter (dry element).

P0300 sets with freeze frame data with a pending P0300 stored. Had a pending p0304 with freeze frame but didnt set current after setting a flashing check engine light two nights ago. Hard dead miss #4 with fuel injector deactivation (when check engine light flashes) but while driving to pull over check light turned off, injector turned back on and normal engine operation ensued. Check light cleared itself but left pending code.

Inspected all wires to fuel injectors, all wires to coils. Plugs have a little over 1000 miles on them. Ford factory SP-405 gapped to .035" self installed. Replaced a set of NGK TR7IX that were in car when purchased used at carmax. Same check light flashing, misfire #4 p0304 set and cleared on its own while road testing car with NGKs in it.

Fuel trims in freeze frame data appear ok, seem to be pulling a little fuel so I think a vacuum leak somewhere could be ruled out at the moment.

Condition is really random, and getting a little frustrating tracking down whats been triggering this issue. Could a failing intermittent coil pack be causing this? Typically on Lexus/Toyota engines when a coil goes, it GOES. Dead right away either failure on secondary windings or failed ICM (rare) on the coil.

I have recently purchased an SCT tuner from the outstanding guys at VMP. Could I data log the car with it and save it if it happens again?

Need to figure out file hosting so I can post pics of FF data pulled from my Matco scanner. Any help appreciated!
 

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Note: no go fast parts or tune installed yet. Only airfilter and jlt intake tube (stock housing).
 

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*current maintenance on car: Oil change to Amsoil 5W-50, Trans rebuild (dealer) MGW shifter and Amsoil signature ATF, Motorcraft SP-405 (all) gapped to .035". Airaid replacement filter (dry element).

P0300 sets with freeze frame data with a pending P0300 stored. Had a pending p0304 with freeze frame but didnt set current after setting a flashing check engine light two nights ago. Hard dead miss #4 with fuel injector deactivation (when check engine light flashes) but while driving to pull over check light turned off, injector turned back on and normal engine operation ensued. Check light cleared itself but left pending code.

Inspected all wires to fuel injectors, all wires to coils. Plugs have a little over 1000 miles on them. Ford factory SP-405 gapped to .035" self installed. Replaced a set of NGK TR7IX that were in car when purchased used at carmax. Same check light flashing, misfire #4 p0304 set and cleared on its own while road testing car with NGKs in it.

Fuel trims in freeze frame data appear ok, seem to be pulling a little fuel so I think a vacuum leak somewhere could be ruled out at the moment.

Condition is really random, and getting a little frustrating tracking down whats been triggering this issue. Could a failing intermittent coil pack be causing this? Typically on Lexus/Toyota engines when a coil goes, it GOES. Dead right away either failure on secondary windings or failed ICM (rare) on the coil.

I have recently purchased an SCT tuner from the outstanding guys at VMP. Could I data log the car with it and save it if it happens again?

Need to figure out file hosting so I can post pics of FF data pulled from my Matco scanner. Any help appreciated!

You might see what the mode 6 Data looks like if your scanner supports it. Then see if you have just a miss at number 4. It's pretty easy to swap the coil and an injector with another good cylinder
and see the results. It would also be good to see in the freeze frame data what RPM the miss occurred so you can try to isolate and re-create it.
 

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ford is known for shitty coils. That would be my bet.
 

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ford is known for shitty coils. That would be my bet.

How are msd or accel? Any other brands to consider? Been leaning toward just replacing all 8 and going from there.

leroyt10: ill swap em tonight when I get home. Havent done it yet (should have I know). But its been so inconsistent to try and reproduce it.
 
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a lot of p0300 cods in the 5.0 world (random misfire) is cause from the crank sensor after a gear install or a clutch change
go to the ford dealer or anyone with ford ids and ask for a crank relearn
this is the fix in the 5.0 world give it a try ..
 
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Thanks red, will look into that tomorrow.

As for coil packs, I bit the bullet and ordered the Ford Racing M-12029-4V coil pack set. Smoookin deal from Tousley Ford (now Autonation white bear lake Ford)

$234 shipped. Well, I know where I'm getting my parts from now on ;)
 

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Thanks red, will look into that tomorrow.

As for coil packs, I bit the bullet and ordered the Ford Racing M-12029-4V coil pack set. Smoookin deal from Tousley Ford (now Autonation white bear lake Ford)

$234 shipped. Well, I know where I'm getting my parts from now on ;)

Glad you got Ford OEM. The other brands are even worse than ford.
 

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Glad you got Ford OEM. The other brands are even worse than ford.

After some quick research, I completely agree with you. Reliability was spotty at BEST for other coil makers.

It seems that our coil packs on the 4V Modulars DO NOT have igniters built into them. This makes them FAR cheaper to replace when they go bad as a set than the newer style with the igniter built in. At just over $200 a set, might be worthwhile to consider them consumable parts like plugs and replace them every 5 years or so.

Poor 5.0 guys are paying over $400 for a set, but theirs feature integrated igniters.
 

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Quick update: The SCT X4 tuner DOES have the ability to perform the crankshaft relearn procedure.

Performed procedure and no codes or issues so far. Will report back in a few weeks to see how she did. Unless it all goes to crap and something else comes up. :)
 

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