Death of the car as we know it by the year 2030.

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This thread is depressing. Let's all take off the tin foil helmets for a second and go for a nice drive in our high performance non-autonomous gas vehicles. The only state that would try to mandate purely autonomous vehicles would definitely be California cause they're a bunch of lazy communist liberals anyways...
 

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I watched a show with my 6 yo son last month that said one major long haul trucking company would have 10 fully autonomous trucks in their fleet next year (2018). It estimated that number would be 40% by 2025. Supposedly Uber is expecting to have driverless cars in their fleet in the near future as well. It's going that way for sure. The question is how long will it take?
 

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Infrastructure and complex navigating variable scenarios (beyond getting from point A to point B) will push this out decades before you see widespread implementation.

Too bad as I was hoping to be around when 1500 people in the office all summoned their vehicle to pick them up 'at the front door' at 5PM.
 

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Not sure I buy that the grid will be ready by 2030 for that many electrics. Especially with the trend if killing coal/nuke plants.

Unless Lockheed unlocks fusion I'm doubting we can produce enough to Jeep up with demand.
 

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^ This is one of my biggest arguments. Our nuke plants that we do have are way beyond life cycle and we are killing off the fossil fuel plants by outlawing/shutting down their producers. We won't build new nuke plants so where will we be in 15 years when we need power and no way to produce it?

My biggest fear is that we will get hit by an EMP for some reason and then we're all screwed. Forget the automatic cars that won't work then. Nobody keeps books anymore so we rely on electronic tech that will be worthless after an EMP event. This includes ALL our modes of transportation seeing as you can't buy a Diesel anymore that isn't computer controlled. What happens then?
 

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The same type of so called experts said we would have fling cars by now as well. The same kind of experts said hillary would win the last election. And we all know how well those predictions came out

As an auto enthusiast this scares the poo out of me. Basically the "experts" say that by 2030 the death spiral of the human driven, petrol powered car will be complete and that almost half the cars on the road will be autonomous electric transporters with numbers increasing every year thereafter.They predict the cars will last longer, be cheaper to operate and be much safer. 2030 is looked at as some kind of event horizon much as when the major switch from the horse and buggy to the automobile finally tilted. Basically the auto industry is going to have to do an about face or be wiped away. So basically all of our high horsepower cars will be relics.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/death-spiral-for-cars-by-2030-you-probably-wont-own-one-93626/

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^ This is one of my biggest arguments. Our nuke plants that we do have are way beyond life cycle and we are killing off the fossil fuel plants by outlawing/shutting down their producers. We won't build new nuke plants so where will we be in 15 years when we need power and no way to produce it?

My biggest fear is that we will get hit by an EMP for some reason and then we're all screwed. Forget the automatic cars that won't work then. Nobody keeps books anymore so we rely on electronic tech that will be worthless after an EMP event. This includes ALL our modes of transportation seeing as you can't buy a Diesel anymore that isn't computer controlled. What happens then?
VW Bugs and mechanical Diesels will rule the country obviously
 

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The same type of so called experts said we would have fling cars by now as well. The same kind of experts said hillary would win the last election. And we all know how well those predictions came out
Yeah but we already have autonomous cars now. It's no longer a matter of if and when...its a matter of how many and how popular it becomes. Self driving cars were bound to happen. I just hope that the driver isn't completely eliminated. Maybe the industry can find a happy medium where the driver decides if they want to drive or let the car do it kinda like Tesla has done.

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I think the new generation doesn't want to drive. They would rather ride and read a phone or iPad.


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^ This is one of my biggest arguments. Our nuke plants that we do have are way beyond life cycle and we are killing off the fossil fuel plants by outlawing/shutting down their producers. We won't build new nuke plants so where will we be in 15 years when we need power and no way to produce it?

My biggest fear is that we will get hit by an EMP for some reason and then we're all screwed. Forget the automatic cars that won't work then. Nobody keeps books anymore so we rely on electronic tech that will be worthless after an EMP event. This includes ALL our modes of transportation seeing as you can't buy a Diesel anymore that isn't computer controlled. What happens then?
The resurgence of the horse as a mode of transportation.
 

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Many people are skeptical of autonomy for one. For two, the electrical grid won't handle the influx of charging. And for three, we are going to struggle with the autonomy existing on a mass scale when like stated above- everyone summons their car to pick them up at the same time.

If anything, you'll probably see an emphasis on light rails, public transportation, and ride sharing thru the use of autonomous vehicles.
 

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The show I saw, the autonomous semitruck haulers were internal combustion engines.... Autonomous doesn't necessarily mean electric powered.
 

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Still laughing at this idea. Some people are just the chicken little type that will panic every time they read a story on the internet.
 

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Still laughing at this idea. Some people are just the chicken little type that will panic every time they read a story on the internet.
I get that you can't get too hyped up about "what ifs" but there is quantifiable evidence that the process has already begun. Look at where the major auto manufacturer's are spending their R&D money and follow the trail. Autonomous vehicles are already here. To what extent they take up a market share is still unknown...but the big auto companies seem to be hedging their bets big time on it being the "next" thing.

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They can't even repair the bridges and roads we have now. I don't see this happening in our lifetime. The infrastructure would have to be built first and we know how long that takes. Besides with all the hacking going on (and its getting worse) I wouldn't trust it.
 

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I could see it happening in 30-50 years. There's no way this will happen in 13.
 

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They can't even repair the bridges and roads we have now. I don't see this happening in our lifetime. The infrastructure would have to be built first and we know how long that takes. Besides with all the hacking going on (and its getting worse) I wouldn't trust it.
Government doing something vs private market throwing billions into R&D.


I think the reason why this is more "real" than some of the other predicted future tech is because this is actually happening at an alarming rate.
Tesla
Toyota
Google
VW
Apple (maybe, still?)
Ford
GM
Uber (these guys are boneheads though)
Lyft
Bosch
Diamler
BMW
Intel
Honda
Land Rover
Jag
Renault
(a lot more)

These are very big, very well run companies who are all going after the same piece of pie and the name of the game right now is first to market. Tesla has a huge jump and every other company wants to either have a car out, or sell the software to another company before Tesla gets there.
 

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