We need Ford/SVT to hear our voices... 2020 GT500 manual transmission petition/request/thread

SSSSSSSSSSSSVT · Jun 10, 2019

biminiLX said:
Adding DCT is a Ponycar/American muscle class first!
Bravo Ford Performance division, Shelby American and Team Mustang.
Thank you!
-J

Why not start an “I love DCT” thread? I’ll give you a few talking points;

- My knees are sore, give me an auto!
- I was going to buy a Ferrari and the Ford said DCT so I’m buying a mustang instead!
- I just found out autos have been shifting faster than manuals since the 60s!! Can you believe it!!!
-Performance!!!
- My mom said I can’t handle an 800hp car with a stick!!

There you go, now back to the OP - Ford if you're listening, please give us a manual transmission in the “most powerful mustang ever”. You can do it!

Sonic605hp · Jun 10, 2019

It's not gonna happen. The developmental money alone screams no. Use your heads boys. Pony cars are following all other high performance cars....get a GT350 if you need your hand on a shaft. Computers are better than humans at some things and shifting is one of them.

Tob · Jun 11, 2019

Stop trying to silence people with logic!!

tt335ci03cobra · Jun 11, 2019

Carrol Shelby owned and built a good number of automatic cars.

Here's All 23 of Carroll Shelby's Personal Cars Up For Auction Next Month

Usually the autos were for drag work.

I think he built Bill Cosby a twin supercharged cobra roadster with an auto as well.

LostM · Jun 11, 2019

I get the feeling this is Kaneda's troll acct..

blk02edge · Jun 11, 2019

Tob said:
And away we go...

You are using the terms ALWAYS and NEVER in referencing something I said - which I did not.

Never tell the manufacturer what they want? Who the **** said that (other than you)?

Straw man arguments seldom work. You can do better than that if you'd like to debate on something beyond emotion.

Ford can say whatever they want. It's what they DO that matters.

I didn't argue relevance with respect to if the DCT is better or not - another straw man.

And where the **** did I ever "try to silence people?"

Soooo, questions, why did ford say they'll consider offering the manual if people petition for it?

What is the point of non manual guys commenting in this petition thread?

Another regurtitated yet ignored statement. Its happened before where car was released auto only, people bitched, so said company released a manual... Its history/facts. No straw man arguments, just reality

tt335ci03cobra · Jun 12, 2019

blk02edge said:
Soooo, questions, why did ford say they'll consider offering the manual if people petition for it?

What is the point of non manual guys commenting in this petition thread?

Another regurtitated yet ignored statement. Its happened before where car was released auto only, people bitched, so said company released a manual... Its history/facts. No straw man arguments, just reality

Business.

Tob · Jun 12, 2019

blk02edge said:
Soooo, questions, why did ford say they'll consider offering the manual if people petition for it?

While you'll find a video blurb here and there, this is what kicked off hope, the article in R&T. What was said...

Carl Widmann said:
Right now, we're DCT-only, [but] we get feedback, and we're real tight with the Mustang crowd.

R&T asked if "a manual was on the table." Widmann's response...

Carl Widmann said:
We always listen to what our customers want, right?

R&T then stated that "a Ford spokesperson clarified that a manual for the GT500 is not planned currently, but it seems like if there is sufficient demand for three pedals, Ford Performance might very well make it a reality."

This is the politics of the industry. Ford very well knew that some would be upset, hence this thread. Again, historically Ford has gone with one transmission offering in their top dog Mustang (since the '93 Cobra anyway, earlier models did have both). You didn't want to hear it before but it is the reality Ford is faced with. The DCT is without a doubt the most expensive transmission in a Mustang to date. Halving the order size to Tremec doesn't bode well with respective to unit costs. You can believe otherwise if that makes you feel better but that isn't how it works.

blk02edge said:
What is the point of non manual guys commenting in this petition thread?

Because here at SVTP we don't discriminate. Threads are all inclusive. As far as I'm concerned, I wanted a manual too. But as I intimated to you previously, I'm a big boy now and recognize when the fix is in and understand that complaining like a child that wants a new binky accomplishes little. If you were serious about this you'd be contacting Ford corporate and setting up a meeting with them. Have you tried that route yet?

blk02edge said:
Another regurtitated yet ignored statement. Its happened before where car was released auto only, people bitched, so said company released a manual... Its history/facts. No straw man arguments, just reality

Better to not use absolutes or another straw man. You're learning.

People bitched about not having an automatic available in the top dog Mustang since the 1993 Cobra. Ford listened (after a ~quarter century) with the 2020 GT500, it's history/fact.

Good luck at your meeting.

blk02edge · Jun 12, 2019

Well im glad for you that you put your big boy pants on and just agree'd with everything ford did. I too have changed my mind in recent years on liking the DCT route yet im not going to be trying to tell people they are wrong about wanting a manual.... Not sure why you keep throwing around the straw man bs.. The porsche example is case and point this scenario. In case you didn't notice Ford has changed a ton lately and you never know what they'll do. Ultimately I think you are right, the chances are low, I just dont understand the point in coming in someone's petition thread and telling them they are wrong and to just deal with it is necessary in any sense like you guys are some higher power. But you do you, ive made my point and really, I dgaf what ford does with the gt500 as Im not a buyer dct or manual. For the record I do respect you and all the info you have posted in here, I just highly disagree with the deal with it attitude. If people want a manual, they damn well should let ford know they want a manual.

Tob · Jun 12, 2019

blk02edge said:
Well im glad for you that you put your big boy pants on and just agree'd with everything ford did.

You see, this is where you lose credibility. You're letting your emotions get the best of you. Where did anyone, including me, "just agree with everything ford did?" Hint (once again) - avoid absolutes.

blk02edge said:
I too have changed my mind in recent years on liking the DCT route yet im not going to be trying to tell people they are wrong about wanting a manual....

Where did anyone, including me, tell people they were wrong about wanting a manual in a GT500? In fact, I want one too and I said as much. Call me when you make it happen.

blk02edge said:
Not sure why you keep throwing around the straw man bs..

Denial - it's more than just a river (colloquialism intended).

blk02edge said:
In case you didn't notice Ford has changed a ton lately and you never know what they'll do.

There isn't a member here that isn't acutely aware that Ford has radically changed in a very short amount of time. Note that much of the change had to do with profit or cost which has everything to do with the decisions they have made regarding the GT500.

blk02edge said:
I just dont understand the point in coming in someone's petition thread and telling them they are wrong and to just deal with it is necessary in any sense like you guys are some higher power.

Are you trying to imply I'm not a higher power? WTF?

blk02edge said:
I dgaf what ford does with the gt500 as Im not a buyer dct or manual.

Then why are you in this thread, posting as if you are a lower power? WTF?

blk02edge said:
For the record I do respect you and all the info you have posted in here, I just highly disagree with the deal with it attitude. If people want a manual, they damn well should let ford know they want a manual.

The "deal with it attitude" is Ford's, not mine. I've just learned to accept it. You aren't seeing the forest through the trees here. When Ford says they "listen" it means they aren't going to act, in the near term anyway, something I already pointed out regarding having to wait decades for a top dog Mustang automatic. When people cry out for a stick in the GT500 and Ford redirects them to the GT350 that speaks volumes as well. In 2020, the economic argument against having two transmissions in the GT500 wins. Based on Ford's belt tightening as of late as well as their historical choice in this regard, my sense is you won't see a manual next year either - if at all.

Look, I'd love to see Ford drop a bomb similar to what GM did with the ZL1 1lE and bring a second transmission choice to the table. You stated you didn't give a **** whether they offered a manual or a DCT as you aren't a buyer. Why argue if you have no skin in the game? Either present your case to Ford in a way that convinces them to change their business plan or don't. Yakking here about who can and can't post in a given thread accomplishes nothing. Points for the effort though, I do respect that.

PowerWheels · Jun 12, 2019

For the record I don't think Ford will listen the the customer. I mean the customer had the 1-2 shift issue and Ford didn't even acknowledge it from what I saw with my 2011.

Perhaps no manual is because Ford can't produce a manual that operates properly. Even though my 2014 shifts great.

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BlckBox04 · Jun 12, 2019

PowerWheels said:
Perhaps no manual is because Ford can't produce a manual that operates properly. Even though my 2014 shifts great.

03-04's had a great manual. just sayin.

blk02edge · Jun 12, 2019

Tob said:
You see, this is where you lose credibility. You're letting your emotions get the best of you. Where did anyone, including me, "just agree with everything ford did?" Hint (once again) - avoid absolutes.

Where did anyone, including me, tell people they were wrong about wanting a manual in a GT500? In fact, I want one too and I sated as much. Call me when you make it happen.

Denial - it's more than just a river (colloquialism intended).

There isn't a member here that isn't acutely aware that Ford has radically changed in a very short amount of time. Note that much of the change had to do with profit or cost which has everything to do with the decisions they have made regarding the GT500.

Are you trying to imply I'm not a higher power? WTF?

Then why are you in this thread, posting as if you are a lower power? WTF?

The "deal with it attitude" is Ford's, not mine. I've just learned to accept it. You aren't seeing the forest through the trees here. When Ford says they "listen" it means they aren't going to act, in the near term anyway, something I already pointed out regarding having to wait decades for a top dog Mustang automatic. When people cry out for a stick in the GT500 and Ford redirects them to the GT350 that speaks volumes as well. In 2020, the economic argument against having two transmissions in the GT500 wins. Based on Ford's belt tightening as of late as well as their historical choice in this regard, my sense is you won't see a manual next year either - if at all.

Look, I'd love to see Ford drop a bomb similar to what GM did with the ZL1 1lE and bring a second transmission choice to the table. You stated you didn't give a **** whether they offered a manual or a DCT as you aren't a buyer. Why argue if you have no skin in the game? Either present your case to Ford in a way that convinces them to change their business plan or don't. Yakking here about who can and can't post in a given thread accomplishes nothing. Points for the effort though, I do respect that.

What ford will and wont do is purely speculation, post #1 stated this thread is simply for stating if you want a manual or not and sure enough people come in to say dont bother trying, or DCT is better... Whatever, troll move. With that attitude no wonder Ford doesnt care what people ask for.

Tob · Jun 12, 2019

PowerWheels said:
For the record I don't think Ford will listen the the customer. I mean the customer had the 1-2 shift issue and Ford didn't even acknowledge it from what I saw with my 2011.

Perhaps no manual is because Ford can't produce a manual that operates properly. Even though my 2014 shifts great.

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Ford did acknowledge the issue with the '11/'12 shifter, clutch, etc. The changes they made in '13/'14 slowed down the shifter (from a geometric standpoint anyway) when they admitted to a "hands beating feet" problem in '11/'12. Makes perfect sense to hear you say your '14 shifts great.

blk02edge said:
What ford will and wont do is purely speculation, post #1 stated this thread is simply for stating if you want a manual or not and sure enough people come in to say dont bother trying, or DCT is better... Whatever, troll move. With that attitude no wonder Ford doesnt care what people ask for.

For the love of God....where did anyone, including me, state that "you shouldn't bother trying." Do you see the pattern in your arguments? Quote somebody directly instead of claiming they said something else.

The "attitude" is all yours. You either accept what Ford offers or you don't. If you want to change the world, step away from a GT500 forum and make it happen. Complaining about trolls gets nothing done.

The DCT is better from a pure, raw numbers perspective. But the majority claim to want a manual instead - I'm not arguing against that and neither is anyone else. You see trolls where they don't exist. The only troll move is for Ford to attempt to appease those that want a manual by telling them that they listen when in reality they have no intention of offering a manual.

1 Alibi 2 · Jun 12, 2019

Tob said:
The only troll move is for Ford to attempt to appease those that want a manual by telling them that they listen when in reality they have no intention of offering a manual.

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Porsche went all auto,..............& in 2018 started to offer a stick again. It seems their buyers were buying older " manual " models !!

Snoopy49 · Jun 12, 2019

Isn't the new mid engine corvette suppose to be DCT only? It will be interesting to see how the Corvette crowd will react the death of the third peddle.

Tob · Jun 12, 2019

1 Alibi 2 said:
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Porsche went all auto,..............& in 2018 started to offer a stick again. It seems their buyers were buying older " manual " models !!

Some buyers will choose an older model or a GT350 with the same mindset, I completely agree. At this point however, Ford has no intention to offer a manual. The best hope is for a long production run if you want a manual. Because if this GT500 is only a 2 or 3 year run it is going to a tough sell internally.

B7BlownSnake · Jun 12, 2019

1 Alibi 2 said:
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Porsche went all auto,..............& in 2018 started to offer a stick again. It seems their buyers were buying older " manual " models !!

Yes, the 991 GT3 is a great example of a manufacturer listening to the fan base. The issue there is, first, the GT3 technically isn't the "numbers" car. That would be the RS models. And Porsche will definitely NOT listen to people asking for a manual in those. Second, Porsche makes a huge profit off the GT3, so the cost of certifying 2 transmissions isn't an issue like it is with the GT500. Plus, the PDK and 6spd in the GT3 share a large number of parts with other cars in their lineup. The T6060 Ford could use in the GT500 isn't that expensive, but less economies of scale on the DCT would be more costly.

Tob · Jun 12, 2019

Stop making economic sense and let Ford give the people what they want!

Cman01 · Jun 12, 2019

If they do offer a MT, they better do away with that stupid semi remote mount shifter BS, IMO the stupidest way to mount the shifter hands down.

If you are going to do it...……………..do it right Ford!!!!!!

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