this, dumbass was looking for attention and got it
Armed citizen stops potential mass shooter as Missouri Walmart
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this, dumbass was looking for attention and got it
Certainly was stupid, but where is the evidence of him threatening to shoot anyone? There was obvious panic. One person was claiming to have heard multiple shots so im sure emotions clouded reality.
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Now you can feel free to tell me to **** off as american politics are not my place but if anything, without using emotion as a tool, that fire fighter could face legal trouble if the 2A was properly upheld. Unless there is actual evidence he verbally threatened people which I have yet to see. "White terrorist" is probably the only thing that will be said.
The line between open carry and just being an ass is pretty clear here. Please reinsert your stirring stick back in yours.
I agree, what he did is beyond stupid, but what are the charges? Whos to say what should and should not be allowed for open carry? Fact is nobody stopped an active shooter, that is textbook fake news.
We don't know that yet. He is originally from Portland Oregon, his Instagram has him wearing masks while handling weapons. He could very well have been filming himself before an attack, much like the Virginia news reporter did before he blew away the reporter and cameraman on air.
I am not going to tell you not to be engaged in civil conversation. I think most of us would only tell someone off if they are being an emotional ass... of which you are not. You bring up a few valid points. I would like to respond general, as your posts, quoted above, has a lot to unpack.
There are a few things to consider in this situation. One is a well know point of "just because you can, that doesn't mean you should." Virginia is an open-carry state as well. It is very legal to openly carry any weapon with some limits on firearm ammo capacity in some cities.
I have openly carried an AR several times before, as well as openly carrying pistols at least weekly (though I have a CHP). As many AR owners are aware, ~100 rounds of ammo is nothing. One mag in the weapon and two spares.
However, with the current state of affairs, many people have a heightened state of fear. That includes pro-2a people. Knowing this, it is in very bad taste to dress like a hunter or in military-like garb, body armor, grab your AR and run to the nearest Walmart. Even if the rifle is just snug to your back, damn near everyone is going to be on red-alert.
If this guy's intent wasn't to shoot the store up, he still committed a crime of causing fear and intimidation with a firearm. And this crime doesn't require proof on intent, either. The code varies state to state, but they are typically written along the lines of "if a reasonable person would have reason to fear loss of life or gross bodily harm of themselves or others." The same qualifiers also apply to justification of use of deadly force.
Hopefully you can agree where the issue is with the guy using an AR and the justification (thus no charges) for the civilian that held him at gunpoint as the chaos ensued. If not, no big deal... it doesn't change the facts of the case.
Both articles were early news reports. Most of the time, early reports are wrong in some way. That is why I cited CNN and DailyWire. They both reported this as an off-duty firefighter prevented a mass shooting (though CNN has completely re-written the article since the original share).
Can someone explain to me when open carry IS appropriate? I get that it shouldn't be against the law. I just can't think of a single scenario where it helps anything.
Oh I absolutely 100% agree, my knowledge is only as good as what I can learn and filter online so I am open to hearing law interpretations from people properly educated. I guess the law is somewhat open to interpretation on what exactly a threatening and harrassing deamener is. Fact is the dude was pushing a shopping cart through all of walmart with his cell phone out, I guess that could easily be described as intimidation. My only thought was the headlines are misleading. I also believe Joe public may have described his attitude wrong based on fear (understandable).
I in no way would EVER condone open carry of that nature, especially in this climate but I would also never vote to ban it.
This along with El Paso are exactly why I always carry when I'm at Wally World. That place really brings out the crazies, but where else am I supposed to grab oil at a discounted price?
I mean, I certainly cant think of a reason to carry in the city, but I believe as far as PA goes, open carry is legal literally so hunters can legally walk around with rifles and shotguns in hand, including on state gameland.
Im no big city fancy lawyer though.
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Like the guy said above, probably for hunting purposes.
An interesting fact about open carry in NC as explained by my ccw instructor: If you are open carrying, you can walk into a bar and drink like a fish. However, this would be illegal if carrying concealed.
Because America. It only seems unappropriate because very few people do it anymore because they have been scared out of the practice by Leftists.
Wasn't he brandishing a weapon in public or was it slung over his shoulder?. If I open carry, I can't just draw the weapon and keep it at the ready.
Right. And I don't open carry. Why draw unwanted attention? The easily triggered don't wear uniforms, so we can't tell who will react.
Story states strapped to his chest pushing a shopping cart
I'm not thrilled with what this idiot did... but Rights not exercised are Rights lost.
you literally cannot find jugs of Mobil One anywhere else cheaper than Wally World...
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