COVID cops

venmos1 · Apr 28, 2020

So the "it's your @#$& job, you signed up for it"doesnt apply like in other threads about other professions? I understand it can be a stressful demanding job. Even dangerous.

How is one d"their job enforcing the law" when they are choosing which ones to enforce?

FJohnny · Apr 28, 2020

Let's face it. What Klaus did definitely constitutes an infraction of the law.

Everyone is better off if cops adopt a solid and consistent way of handling this kind of situation so everyone knows where they stand and can choose to act accordingly. I would suggest the following:

If the Perp is a solid citizen like me (and, I assume, Klaus) they should administer a sternly worded warning followed by a "Have a good day, sir".

If the Perp is a weed head with a skateboard in the back seat and sporting long hair he is clearly thumbing his nose at the police in particular and society in general. Police should throw the book at him and maybe consider tasing him for good measure.

Just my opinion.

Makobra · Apr 28, 2020

venmos1 said:
So the "it's your @#$& job, you signed up for it"doesnt apply like in other threads about other professions? I understand it can be a stressful demanding job. Even dangerous.

How is one d"their job enforcing the law" when they are choosing which ones to enforce?

its called "officer discretion" which is precisely how LEO's operate today.
you think they have time and resources to pinch everybody who commits every infraction? not a chance in hell.
in houston NOBODY does the speed limit unless you got a cop that is obviously trolling for speeders to feed his quota.

jshen · Apr 28, 2020

Makobra said:
and the one attached to the human walking around can point in another direction while his hand does something else...

That's a violation of dept policy-besides the way they are attached very difficult to do

Makobra · Apr 28, 2020

jshen said:
That's a violation of dept policy-besides the way they are attached very difficult to do

you say thats a violation of department policy as if it matters and if you think its hard to do something with your hand while your torso faces another direction i got some bad news for ya dude...

98 svt · Apr 28, 2020

FJohnny said:
weed head

You'll have to use English, I don't speak Canadian.

ssj4sadie · Apr 28, 2020

massmustang02 said:
You do know that when you see a trooper doing the speed limit in the left lane, that they are actively engaged in traffic enforcement or interdiction techniques to see if and when someone passes them, on the right (which is illegal in my state) and above the posted speed limit. White signs with posted speed limit is the letter of the law and not a suggested speed like the yellow/orange signs which are spirit of the law because they may be otherwise different from the white posted limit.

The phrase flew by him is not a lie. An exaggeration perhaps. The phrase at its basis is a statement with an adjective to describe the action to which there was disagreement about it. Should the trooper have written you a ticket with a recorded or estimated a speed greater than what he observed that would have been a lie.

And I somewhat agree on the good cops bad cops statement. That applies to all walks of life and can be manipulated to fit a narrative.

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It is obvious in this thread who is skilled(ish) at manipulating a story...

@musclefan21 You tell us this convoluted story about a criminal doing criminal shit and act as if we should be surprised that he tried to sway the situation in his favor? LoL! How many times did you have your knee/elbow in someone's back/chest/neck and then claim they resisted arrest as they squirmed in pain and tried to get away from the source of pain? Or better yet, used that "resisting" to justify your escalation of force?

venmos1 · Apr 28, 2020

Makobra said:
its called "officer discretion" which is precisely how LEO's operate today.
you think they have time and resources to pinch everybody who commits every infraction? not a chance in hell.
in houston NOBODY does the speed limit unless you got a cop that is obviously trolling for speeders to feed his quota.

Yes i know. It was stated by someone above (supporting the officer imo) that he was doing his job. My point was that they pick and choose when and which laws to enforce. Going 2 mph over and getting pulled over is a joke imo. I think he did it because there were people behind him and it was done to show who is boss. I work and travel daily on one of the most dangerous roads in the state (not highway). we have a stretch of road that is two lanes each way, north and south. speed limit is 55. most people do 60. quite often im getting passed by people doing much more than that. 9 times out of 10 when i see a police officer, they are in the left lane (regardless of whether or not there is any traffic) and doing well over the speed limit. State police and sheriff are the worst.

Like i said, i understand what they go through and appreciate it very much. its the small stuff like this that i dont like. What was the big deal of the OP passing the officer 2 mph faster? if not ego, then why the stop?

jaxbusa · Apr 28, 2020

venmos1 said:
My point was that they pick and choose when and which laws to enforce.

What laws would you enforce if you were a cop and could pick and choose?

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Makobra · Apr 28, 2020

venmos1 said:
Yes i know. It was stated by someone above (supporting the officer imo) that he was doing his job. My point was that they pick and choose when and which laws to enforce.

this is mostly a product of having so many nonsensical laws that don't help and some even kill. like speed limits and prohibition.

Like i said, i understand what they go through and appreciate it very much. its the small stuff like this that i dont like. What was the big deal of the OP passing the officer 2 mph faster? if not ego, then why the stop?

its 100% pure ego.

Deceptive · Apr 28, 2020

Why do I get the feeling some people just have a prolapsed anus because they cannot do what they want when they want and can come up with all kinds of excuses why them claiming to be a free range chicken or whatever is different than just admitting they want to be a criminal and not follow laws?

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jaxbusa · Apr 28, 2020

Makobra, I read the article you linked in an earlier post and I was left wanting more data and a better conclusion. For example, it stated the two most obvious changes from no speed limits were improved lane courtesy and increased seatbelt usage. I wish it would have had examples of lane curtesy and how they measured it. It also stated that measured vehicle speed only increased a few miles per hour. I was hoping they would give exact figures, how they measured, locations and times. The crash data was nice, but again I was left wanting more, like the causes of crashes. Do you have any firsthand knowledge on this topic about speed and safety? Thanks.

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Makobra · Apr 28, 2020

jaxbusa said:
Makobra, I read the article you linked in an earlier post and I was left wanting more data and a better conclusion. For example, it stated the two most obvious changes from no speed limits were improved lane courtesy and increased seatbelt usage. I wish it would have had examples of lane curtesy and how they measured it. It also stated that measured vehicle speed only increased a few miles per hour. I was hoping they would give exact figures, how they measured, locations and times. The crash data was nice, but again I was left wanting more, like the causes of crashes. Do you have any firsthand knowledge on this topic about speed and safety? Thanks.

yes.

im sure google can help you out with that desire to learn more.

to understand why people are more courteous in the absence of strict rules you have to understand people. to put it simply, if you're out in some foreign country where all is alien to you you will be more courteous and more careful if you have any sense about you. why? because you don't know the rules.

living under the weight of countless rules puts people in the mental corner of "as long as i follow the rules I'm a good person". how many times have you been annoyed at someone who had the audacity to honk at you when you were not doing anything technically wrong? maybe you were just not paying attention for a minute.

the offense you feel in that situation is "i'm following the rules, THAT guy is the asshole doesn't he see that i am clearly not doing anything wrong?" but you offended him somehow, otherwise he wouldn't have be moved to honk right?

people are discourteous on the road constantly and this is precisely why. they feel SAFE. going slower than the ten cars stacked up behind them FEELS safe because they're following the rules to the letter.

fact of the matter is this: people died because montana enacted daytime speed limits on the highways which was validated by undoing it then doing it again. they accidentally proved that at least in some cases speed limits kill.

and nobody gives a shit because they FEEL safe.

ssj4sadie · Apr 28, 2020

Deceptive said:
Why do I get the feeling some people just have a prolapsed anus because they cannot do what they want when they want and can come up with all kinds of excuses why them claiming to be a free range chicken or whatever is different than just admitting they want to be a criminal and not follow laws?

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Does a tree make sound when it falls and no one is around to hear it? If we applied the law to you strictly to the letter, you would be chillin with the prolapsed anus free-range chickens getting your cluck on too. The fact of the matter is you have without a single doubt broken the law willingly at some point. If you were caught I am sure there was at least some thought about how it is stupid that you got a ticket for it. Either way, welcome the range criminal.

Deceptive · Apr 28, 2020

ssj4sadie said:
Does a tree make sound when it falls and no one is around to hear it? If we applied the law to you strictly to the letter, you would be chillin with the prolapsed anus free-range chickens getting your cluck on too. The fact of the matter is you have without a single doubt broken the law willingly at some point. If you were caught I am sure there was at least some thought about how it is stupid that you got a ticket for it. Either way, welcome the range criminal.

Here is the difference, I am not going to whine and cry like a heartbroken school girl if I get a ticket. I will take it like a man. I have taken it like a man. I have had run ins where I deserved the ticket I got, I had a run in where I did not, I have had run ins where I didn’t get a ticket when I deserved one, I had run ins where it was a cop on a power trip.

Police have a job to do that has been outlined by lawyers, politicians, and slack jawed social justice warriors. Like Pinocchio, I’m a real boy that isn’t going to whine and cry.

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ssj4sadie · Apr 28, 2020

Deceptive said:
Here is the difference, I am not going to whine and cry like a heartbroken school girl if I get a ticket. I will take it like a man. I have taken it like a man. I have had run ins where I deserved the ticket I got, I had a run in where I did not, I have had run ins where I didn’t get a ticket when I deserved one, I had run ins where it was a cop on a power trip.

Police have a job to do that has been outlined by lawyers, politicians, and slack jawed social justice warriors. Like Pinocchio, I’m a real boy that isn’t going to whine and cry.

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@Klaus didn’t whine and cry, he told us about an encounter with a douche LEO. So we’re clear...you did not tell anyone about the time you got a ticket for something you did not deserve, you took it on the chin like a good boy? Sounds to me like you’re a better fit in the Battered Women’s Shelter and not the Real Men Club.

All bravado and shit talking aside; you were in the military, you fought for our freedoms and security at home. How do you not see that punk ass LEOs enforcing dumb shit laws are an affront to your sacrifice?

03cobra#694 · Apr 28, 2020

I think a certain member needs a tampon change.

jaxbusa · Apr 28, 2020

Makobra said:
yes.

im sure google can help you out with that desire to learn more.

to understand why people are more courteous in the absence of strict rules you have to understand people. to put it simply, if you're out in some foreign country where all is alien to you you will be more courteous and more careful if you have any sense about you. why? because you don't know the rules.

living under the weight of countless rules puts people in the mental corner of "as long as i follow the rules I'm a good person". how many times have you been annoyed at someone who had the audacity to honk at you when you were not doing anything technically wrong? maybe you were just not paying attention for a minute.

the offense you feel in that situation is "i'm following the rules, THAT guy is the asshole doesn't he see that i am clearly not doing anything wrong?" but you offended him somehow, otherwise he wouldn't have be moved to honk right?

people are discourteous on the road constantly and this is precisely why. they feel SAFE. going slower than the ten cars stacked up behind them FEELS safe because they're following the rules to the letter.

fact of the matter is this: people died because montana enacted daytime speed limits on the highways which was validated by undoing it then doing it again. they accidentally proved that at least in some cases speed limits kill.

and nobody gives a shit because they FEEL safe.

The thought of people being courteous because of unfamiliarity occurred to me. It doesn’t help the argument for no speed limits because eventually no speed limits will become familiar. I’m usually the one honking at people of coming into my lane or sitting at a green light looking at their phones. Some of those people wave at me and some get upset. Sitting at a green light is called obstructing traffic in Florida and is a violation of traffic laws. People can feel safe by going slower all they want as long as they’re not in the left lane. If they’re in the left lane holding up ten cars it would be a traffic violation in Florida. I guess I’ll have take your advice and google it to learn.

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Makobra · Apr 28, 2020

jaxbusa said:
The thought of people being courteous because of unfamiliarity occurred to me. It doesn’t help the argument for no speed limits because eventually no speed limits will become familiar.

Montana had HALF the traffic fatalities before their speed limits in the context of the data.
they added the limits and the next year they had the same numbers as everyone else
so the repealed them
deaths went back down
so some asshole added them back
deaths went back up

it doesn't get more cut and dry than this.

as humans we like structure but its pretty easy to overload our cognitive faculties. so if you load someone up with tons and tons of rules that carry fines and penalties they will HAPPILY be discourteous if it means not getting in trouble.

people making traffic ordinances don't know enough about people or driving to be doing it and that isn't even touching on the fact that we use the same idiotic logic we've been using for decades. cars are space ships compared to what they were just thirty years ago but we still pretend like 100mph is fast. sure maybe if you have a 94 ford ranger making 100hp when it rolled off the assembly line 26 years ago.

i could rant forever about this but you get the idea.

we have too many rules. we've traded liberty for safety and its not going to change without something really terrible happening.

Kevins89notch · Apr 28, 2020

Makobra said:
in houston NOBODY does the speed limit unless you got a cop that is obviously trolling for speeders to feed his quota.

Ditto in Orlando. 3-4 lanes each direction on the 408, I roll at 75-80 in a 55, daily. If I see a cop rolling up on me, I just change lanes as they are usually doing 85+ and just trying to get from A to B. It's the state troopers on motorcycles that sit just over slight "hills" and get people.

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