Raptor R - only $179,995... what a deal!

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For sure there are a lot of people with a lot more money than I have. Paying 179k for a 109k truck is not a good way to keep your money though. That just does not make good business sense. That makes the folks paying those prices richer AND dumber than me, will those units appreciate like the 05/06 GT’s? Maybe, but that’s crap shoot. Not that I could have afforded one back then but I was eyeballing an 05 GT that was offered at mrsp.
I know multiple people who have paid ADM's. That extra amount is irrelevant to them as they know how to invest elsewhere. If you're looking towards cars as investment you're retarded, not them.

The exception being Treynor levels of unobtainable vehicles. And even then, he could be making more with that money elsewhere too..

It's a hobby, pay to play or **** off to the kitchen where the women belong. (General statement, not a direct dig)
 

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I don't get wound up over what vehicles sell for. People are going to pay. That is why the price is what it is.
I would much rather have this to bitch about than worry if I can get a loaf of bread tomorrow, or if I can afford the gas for the car to get to work.
Although, the way this Administration is going...
 

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I know multiple people who have paid ADM's. That extra amount is irrelevant to them as they know how to invest elsewhere. If you're looking towards cars as investment you're retarded, not them.

The exception being Treynor levels of unobtainable vehicles. And even then, he could be making more with that money elsewhere too..

It's a hobby, pay to play or **** off to the kitchen where the women belong. (General statement, not a direct dig)
Paying ADM’s is justifying someone’s greed. They only other market that uses business model anywhere close is the housing market and that only happens when 2 or more parties want the same property and are trying to out bid the other. They don’t market the property as “xxx is the price but you need to give us yyy more in order for us to sell it to you.” This sort of shit just doesn’t exist in other markets. You don’t walk into your local furniture store and see furniture with ADM attached. Why should I walk into a dealership and expect to pay ADM on a vehicle? The only answer is dealership greed. Sorry not buying into that. If you are stupid enough or enjoy being bent over by a greedy dealer, I guess it’s your money. Personally, I have never wanted a vehicle bad enough to pay 75% over MRSP. Just as a side note, of all the new vehicles I have bought in my life, I have only paid full MRSP on one and and wasn’t happy about that.

They are plenty of folks with Treynor level money out there And you are correct, the extra ADM makes no difference to them. I am not talking about those levels of income, it’s the folks that may have just enough coin to pick up a limited edition vehicle. Those are the people that buy things like the Raptor R. I don’t know but I don’t think most people with Treynor level money are buying RaptorR’s.
 

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Paying ADM’s is justifying someone’s greed. They only other market that uses business model anywhere close is the housing market and that only happens when 2 or more parties want the same property and are trying to out bid the other. They don’t market the property as “xxx is the price but you need to give us yyy more in order for us to sell it to you.” This sort of shit just doesn’t exist in other markets. You don’t walk into your local furniture store and see furniture with ADM attached. Why should I walk into a dealership and expect to pay ADM on a vehicle? The only answer is dealership greed. Sorry not buying into that. If you are stupid enough or enjoy being bent over by a greedy dealer, I guess it’s your money. Personally, I have never wanted a vehicle bad enough to pay 75% over MRSP. Just as a side note, of all the new vehicles I have bought in my life, I have only paid full MRSP on one and and wasn’t happy about that.

They are plenty of folks with Treynor level money out there And you are correct, the extra ADM makes no difference to them. I am not talking about those levels of income, it’s the folks that may have just enough coin to pick up a limited edition vehicle. Those are the people that buy things like the Raptor R. I don’t know but I don’t think most people with Treynor level money are buying RaptorR’s.
It's the same in the watch market as well as any market that has high demand/low quantity.

This is economics 101 but if you don't get it at this point...
 

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It's the same in the watch market as well as any market that has high demand/low quantity.

This is economics 101 but if you don't get it at this point...


Basic Economics would be Ford controlling and profiting off the ADM.

This is why people get pissed off. Dealers pay a fixed price and control access to orders. They then decide to jack around prices and play games.

The general population would rather order direct and just wait in line, or, have Ford "auction" finished units to the highest bidder.

Dealer ADM is the same concept as "flippers" witch collectable items, and flippers are hated by their respective communities.

Same can be said by Live Nation / Ticketaster.

Buy up all the tickets for $35/ea and then flip them for $250/ea.... but you go to jail for scalping if you try and unload an extra ticket over face value.
 

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Basic Economics would be Ford controlling and profiting off the ADM.

This is why people get pissed off. Dealers pay a fixed price and control access to orders. They then decide to jack around prices and play games.

The general population would rather order direct and just wait in line, or, have Ford "auction" finished units to the highest bidder.

Dealer ADM is the same concept as "flippers" witch collectable items, and flippers are hated by their respective communities.

Same can be said by Live Nation / Ticketaster.

Buy up all the tickets for $35/ea and then flip them for $250/ea.... but you go to jail for scalping if you try and unload an extra ticket over face value.
Yes Ford is complicit in this Monopoly. They only sell the vehicles to the inside traders and we as customers have to put up with the bullshit. It's 2023, why the F cant people go on a website and order a vehicle that they want for the price offered? This dealership game is a joke - its only a matter of time before it crumbles, this ADM nonsense that is happening is only speeding up their demise.
 

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It's just a modern H2 Hummer for suburban dads who need to flaunt their disposable income. Let them have their fun with it. If my Nissan Frontier gets scratched up by brush, I can't imagine how that wide-body thing would look after a day on actual off-road trails. Are people taking them out on sand dunes where they won't get scratched or something?
 

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Does Ford produce a less optioned Raptor R? I don't know if I'd say the more niche, high optioned models are what separates Ford from being in the red or black unless, of course, it is selling a million of these things. Mostly certainly it is the more common F150's and SUVs with the toys.

At the end of the day someone is going to sell this vehicle at a markup whether the dealer or someone who gets a good deal and resells it. The only question is who you would rather.

The one I drove was essentially a base model. Selling Raptors vs XLs is what keeps the lights on.
 

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It's the same in the watch market as well as any market that has high demand/low quantity.

This is economics 101 but if you don't get it at this point...
I do understand it. That does not mean I have to agree with it. I won't pay ADM for a new vehicle, and with what is on the market these days and my age, might not ever buy another new vehicle. Others can choose to dispose of their money as they see fit. If they are happy lining the pockets of some greedy slime ball car sales person, nothing I can do about it but I can make my choices clear with my money and make my feelings known about.
 

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I always giggle when I see people bitching about car dealers/salesman etc. We operate in one of the largest $ industries in the world...with some of the world's smallest margins.
 

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I do understand it. That does not mean I have to agree with it. I won't pay ADM for a new vehicle, and with what is on the market these days and my age, might not ever buy another new vehicle. Others can choose to dispose of their money as they see fit. If they are happy lining the pockets of some greedy slime ball car sales person, nothing I can do about it but I can make my choices clear with my money and make my feelings known about.
Let me help you out, no, you do not understand it lol.

-guy wants limited market car...so do thousands of others...

-Ford "sets" a "suggested" price

-you are now in competition with thousands of others

-there are two options, the dealer can charge what they want as THEY OWN the vehicle, it's legally and RIGHTFULLY their choice to charge under MSRP or $10,000,000 over msrp, if there's a buyer all the power to them.

-OR, you can force an msrp sale to the first lucky few and then still disappoint thousands of others. Take your pick, end result is the same and you'll be crying about the lack of Raptor R in your garage

-oh wait... third option! GTFO the internet and make more money so you too can financially compete with the economically superior people to you.

Bitching on a car forum will have the same net result as bitching about rigged elections, go do something
 

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I always giggle when I see people bitching about car dealers/salesman etc. We operate in one of the largest $ industries in the world...with some of the world's smallest margins.
And some of the worst reputations in the business world…..

Not pointed at you Nick, you have a great reputation here. But in general when people speak of car salesmen it is not in glowing terms.
 

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And some of the worst reputations in the business world…..

Not pointed at you Nick, you have a great reputation here. But in general when people speak of car salesmen it is not in glowing terms.

I can't argue that. But most of that was devised from experienced pre-internet days; back when dealerships had all the information and consumers only had access to what dealerships wanted them to have.
 

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Let me help you out, no, you do not understand it lol.

-guy wants limited market car...so do thousands of others...

-Ford "sets" a "suggested" price

-you are now in competition with thousands of others

-there are two options, the dealer can charge what they want as THEY OWN the vehicle, it's legally and RIGHTFULLY their choice to charge under MSRP or $10,000,000 over msrp, if there's a buyer all the power to them.

-OR, you can force an msrp sale to the first lucky few and then still disappoint thousands of others. Take your pick, end result is the same and you'll be crying about the lack of Raptor R in your garage

-oh wait... third option! GTFO the internet and make more money so you too can financially compete with the economically superior people to you.

Bitching on a car forum will have the same net result as bitching about rigged elections, go do something
I am fully aware of how and why it works. You just wasted your time trying to explain something that needed no explanation. Take your “superior” mansplaining somewhere please.

If you were to have actually read and had the ability tocomprehend this thread you would have known that I had said that I was not in the market for a Raptor R or at this point any other new vehicle, limited edition or not.

I simply stated that I don’t agree with ADM and stated the reason why. You seem to have taken that as I don’t understand the reasoning behind ADM. Maybe it’s you that had the comprehension issue?
 

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I can't argue that. But most of that was devised from experienced pre-internet days; back when dealerships had all the information and consumers only had access to what dealerships wanted them to have.
True but the reputation persists. Things like ADM and some of the bait and switch tactics that some dealers employ do nothing to improve the reputation. I suspect that most people going to buy a new car are somewhat apprehensive about the whole experience. Unless the customer is fully armed with current information the likelihood of being taken advantage of is still very high unfortunately.
 

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True but the reputation persists. Things like ADM and some of the bait and switch tactics that some dealers employ do nothing to improve the reputation. I suspect that most people going to buy a new car are somewhat apprehensive about the whole experience. Unless the customer is fully armed with current information the likelihood of being taken advantage of is still very high unfortunately.

ADM is what it is. Just follows economics. If I were to sell my house today and it appraised for $800k but some have sold for $900k, you best believe I'll list it at $900k+.

Next argument is that if you want to buy a Ford, you have to go through the dealer network. I hear that argument and don't totally discredit it...but there's too much after the sale service and such that Ford Motor Company can't provide without MAJOR corporate change. They've had multiple dealerships in the past that were Ford Motor Company owned that failed miserably.
 

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I can't argue that. But most of that was devised from experienced pre-internet days; back when dealerships had all the information and consumers only had access to what dealerships wanted them to have.

It's from still on going behaviors.

I just looked at a Tundra. Sticker $62k on the window. Sales guy comes over with "the numbers" and it's now $70k + tax and title.

Bunch of bullshit add ons like $1,700 for ceramic tint, $1,500 anti-theft window etching, extended warranty and a service plan.
 
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It's from still on going behaviors.

I just looked at a Tundra. Sticker $62k on the window. Dales guy comes over with "the numbers" and it's now $70k + tax and title.

Bunch of bullshit add ons like $1,700 for ceramic tint, $1,500 anti-theft window etching, extended warranty and a service plan.

Tell them no, and walk. Go to another store.
 

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