The HARD TRUTH about EVs

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I saw a Mach E at a local Ford dealership yesterday, and I can see the design has settled in my head. Just can't get past the Mustang nameplate. The salesman was telling me how difficult it's been to find buyers. Especially up here where it get cold during the winter months. They did, though, have a gorgeous 5.0 Mustang in the showroom with bronze wheels. The Mach-E up here is having not only a cold reception from consumers, but owners are having a hard time finding chargers in the wild. I think over the past month I've seen 1-2 on the road. A lot of Teslas, though.
 
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Yeah, we made fun of it because they hid the big ass diesel generators needed to provide more than level 1 charging because the grid can't handle it.
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I thought we agreed it was so much power it would require a good sized hydro plant, not some generator on a truck. Maybe I'm thinking of another post.
 
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Weather Man said:
They were hidden in a building off to the side.
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Sometimes things aren't as they seem. BLOG: Harris Ranch sets record straight on diesel-powered Tesla Supercharger allegations

Apparently it stems from a 2015 observation: Tesla's Mega 98-Supercharger Location Runs In Part On A Diesel Generator: Report

The last line is a bit of a double entendre, as Harris Ranch is a MASSIVE feed lot for cattle.

The news was first broken by investigative journalist Edward Niedermeyer. In May 2015, Niedermeyer drove from his Oregon home to Harris Ranch to see whether “Musk’s latest bit of dream weaving could stand up to reality.”

What Niedermeyer reportedly found was a little different from the company’s clean energy claims.

“I discovered that Tesla’s battery swap station was not in fact being made available to owners who regularly drove between California’s two largest cities,” Niedermeyer wrote in a May 2022 exposé for Slate. “Instead, the company was running diesel generators to power additional Superchargers (the kind that take 30 to 60 minutes to recharge a battery) to handle the holiday rush, their exhaust mingling with the unmistakable smell of bulls—t.”
 
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Lithium Battery Dangers: Audi Q5 EV Fire Raises Alarm In Hackensack

Recent Hackensack incident underscores the challenges posed by EV fires. Lithium battery packs burn hot and are hard to put out, raising concerns for fire departments across New Jersey.
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EV Battery fires are a unique danger. First off its an electrical (class charley) fire, so the car is considered deranged equipment as you dont know if parts of the car would now carry an electrical charge (electrocution risk) and its also a class alpha fire) as the solids from the car body, interior, etc.. start to combust. Ladtly, it’s also a class delta (burning metal) fire for which water is NOT a good extinguishing agent. Combine those factors and consider the risk if owning/charging an EV indoors.

Oh, and think about the public charger location. They are usually located close to a building’s entrance to shorten the electrical run from the building to the charger itself.

Consider this when you park your beloved ICE vehicle at an airport where most charging stations are located inside on the ground floor of the parking garage. Only a matter of time until we have a conflagration at a major airport. Not to give terrorists any ideas…..
 
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Oh, and think about the public charger location. They are usually located close to a building’s entrance to shorten the electrical run from the building to the charger itself.
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The story said the fire happened in the apartments garage, curious how much structural/collateral damage was done. Didnt see it mentioned in the article, wonder why its never mentioned.
 
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EV Battery fires are a unique danger. First off its an electrical (class charley) fire, so the car is considered deranged equipment as you dont know if parts of the car would now carry an electrical charge (electrocution risk) and its also a class alpha fire) as the solids from the car body, interior, etc.. start to combust. Ladtly, it’s also a class delta (burning metal) fire for which water is NOT a good extinguishing agent. Combine those factors and consider the risk if owning/charging an EV indoors.

Oh, and think about the public charger location. They are usually located close to a building’s entrance to shorten the electrical run from the building to the charger itself.

Consider this when you park your beloved ICE vehicle at an airport where most charging stations are located inside on the ground floor of the parking garage. Only a matter of time until we have a conflagration at a major airport. Not to give terrorists any ideas…..
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Already did, Luton. The EV's burned so hot they couldn't get close and the fire took out the parking garage and 1,500 to 1,800 cars in it. Still have not released exact number of cars burned.
 
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The story said the fire happened in the apartments garage, curious how much structural/collateral damage was done. Didnt see it mentioned in the article, wonder why its never mentioned.
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Because DECON isn't covered, so you wash the hazmat down the sewer drain and pretend it didn't happen.
 
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PhoenixM3 said:
EV Battery fires are a unique danger. First off its an electrical (class charley) fire, so the car is considered deranged equipment as you dont know if parts of the car would now carry an electrical charge (electrocution risk) and its also a class alpha fire) as the solids from the car body, interior, etc.. start to combust. Ladtly, it’s also a class delta (burning metal) fire for which water is NOT a good extinguishing agent. Combine those factors and consider the risk if owning/charging an EV indoors.

Oh, and think about the public charger location. They are usually located close to a building’s entrance to shorten the electrical run from the building to the charger itself.

Consider this when you park your beloved ICE vehicle at an airport where most charging stations are located inside on the ground floor of the parking garage. Only a matter of time until we have a conflagration at a major airport. Not to give terrorists any ideas…..
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And I imagine the risk of battery failure increases as these EVs age as well?
 
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svtfocus2cobra said:
And I imagine the risk of battery failure increases as these EVs age as well?
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Maybe, but that may affect the vehicle range moreso than safety. Stupid stuff like terminals which connect the charging port on the vehicle may become loose over time and could cause arcing. Who knows. I'm not familiar with the operating voltage/current, but do know that a 220v charger tops off a battery quicker than 110 does.
 
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