Angrey's way too early GT500 price handicapping contest

[tt335ci03cobra]

If the gt500 ends up costing $95-108k without adm, I’ll find a girl with Ebola and drink her blood.

No source but my gut, this thing is 67500 to 82.5k. Maybe 70-85k.

Mustangs seem to come in $15-20k tiers.

(Averages)
Ecoboost $30k ($26-40k)
Gt $45k ($35-53k)
Gt350(r) $60k ($55-67500)
Gt500(carbon) $75k (67-85k)

 

[mitchster]

Will the next GT350 have the new 7 speed auto or will they discontinue the car????

 

[ANGREY]

Will the next GT350 have the new 7 speed auto or will they discontinue the car????

Awesome question. A lot of indications would appear Ford intends to offer both at the same time (which is part of what lends me to believe the pricing on the GT500 will be much higher than most of the discussions here) and if that's the case, I can't imagine Ford would kill the spirit of the 350 with a DCT. If they did, they'd probably massage the ratios, cause as I've read it has 3 overdrives (out of the 7) and the 1st gear is slightly steeper than the 2nd gear on the 10 speed. (read, street/strip bruiser vs. the 3160 arrangement).

Having the DCT common among both would improve the economics. I wonder what would be needed by way of modifications of the front grill on the 350 to integrate and make it work (with the cooler dimensions and arrangements).

 

[Dusten]

Okay everyone, we've had numerous debates and speculation about the GT500 and it's proximity/effect on GT350/R sales and value over the past year+.

Now that we've seen the major muscle movements of the product, let's start taking guesses on what the pricing will be.

I'm saying "base" model, without the carbon fiber "track pack" will MSRP at $95,000.00 and the additional option of seats/spoiler/CF wheels will add on an additional $13k for an MSRP in the neighborhood of $108k.

This is all of course before dealer rape and additional markups until the supply (if ever) catches up.

The massive brakes, the special hood (with pins and removable rain cover), the 2.65L blower, the carbon fiber drive shaft, the 20" aluminum wheels and most costly, the 7 speed DCT transmission (from the Ford GT) all tell me this car is going to be well above even the 350R (in terms of sales price). Obviously the electronics upgrades are universal across models and makes, so there's escalation there too.

So chime in, throw your best guess as to the pricing. I don't think Ford is going to sell a lot of these things. I think it's going to be WAY WAY more limited than the previous GT500's were.

Ford GT uses a Getrag DCT if i remember correctly... not Tremec.

Correct. They use different dct setups. Ones a ****ing transaxle...

The c8 vette is using it I think? @Tob

 

[Tob]

Yup. Some interesting detail at the following link.
Brothers from Tremec mothers: 2020 Shelby GT500 and mid-engine Corvette reportedly have same transmission

 

[JAJ]

Yup. Some interesting detail at the following link.
Brothers from Tremec mothers: 2020 Shelby GT500 and mid-engine Corvette reportedly have same transmission

I think that's just idle speculation. If you put a V8 and that in-line Tremec DCT gearbox together and bolt it onto the front of a differential, the finished assembly is way too long to go behind the driver's seat in anything smaller than a Kenworth. GM will need a transaxle for a mid-engine Corvette.

 

[usaf_branham]

I’m guessing base will be around $75k.

Doesn’t matter much to me, without a manual trans, I’ll never own one

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I’m guessing base will be around $75k.

Doesn’t matter much to me, without a manual trans, I’ll never own one

I was of this mentality until I got to thinking about it. I personally already have a 1200whp manual car and get my Parneli Jones out of it.

This 2020 gt500 is an entirely different experience. It is an American AMG GTR or better yet an American Aston Martin Vanquish imo.

Yes it’s not as luxurious, but it’s way faster. Yes it’s not as beautiful but it’s way meaner. It’s also priced like an American deal. Get it while it’s hot.

To me, modern cars with a manual is a lot like really nice phone sex on FaceTime in 4K with a condom on. It is better than voice only phone sex in digital or analogue reception with a condom on, no question.

But if you want your driving experience to be like hot fresh horny 18-20 year old tight pussy while you’re on viagra and a shot or two of whiskey, then you can’t have all that isolation and rubber feel. You want that delrin and metal suspension feel, that no traction or stability puckerfest, that 500whp more than you need light em up at 80mph kind of experience.

The biggest reason I haven’t gone auto with my 03 is that I have that kind of a car right now. I don’t need it to be the fastest car in my stable anymore. I don’t want to turn it into that because it’s more fun as a crude analogue sawed off boomstick than it would be with even a 6r80 or a 10r imo. You would need to pull so much off a new gt500 to get that kind of feel out of it to where it would become a waste of a $80k car imo.

This gt500 is a 911 gt2rs ethos car. A drivers car would be a manual 1979 911 S, or maybe a 1967 427 corvette, or even a tried and true c6 corvette z06 imo. This GT500 is hypermuscle daily driver material.

I’d bet that almost everywhere you could have fun with a theoretical manual 2020 gt500, an e85 4.56 rear full bolt on gt350r on Delrin and as few rubber bushings as possible would be twice as fun.

 

[662]

more relevant to my immediate situation is how will this car affect VooDoo values over time.

 

[Tob]

I think that's just idle speculation. If you put a V8 and that in-line Tremec DCT gearbox together and bolt it onto the front of a differential, the finished assembly is way too long to go behind the driver's seat in anything smaller than a Kenworth. GM will need a transaxle for a mid-engine Corvette.

You are missing the forest through the trees and concluded it's speculation. It's the bit about Fassler regarding the two transmissions that is important and there's more to this than meets the eye. Start on page 6...
https://www.daetwyler.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Daetwyler/Life-PDF/LIFE_03_2017_EN.pdf

 

[JAJ]

You are missing the forest through the trees and concluded it's speculation. It's the bit about Fassler regarding the two transmissions that is important and there's more to this than meets the eye. Start on page 6...
https://www.daetwyler.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Daetwyler/Life-PDF/LIFE_03_2017_EN.pdf

The link doesn't work, unfortunately.

There is this quote from the AA article: "Development of the DCTs started in 2013 and there are three variants planned in total: one for rear-wheel-drive vehicles, one for all-wheel-drive applications, and one with a transaxle. The RWD application is obviously for the Shelby GT500, and the transaxle application is more than likely for the mid-engine C8 Corvette. All three share the same internals with minor differences for their final packaging."

My point was that it's not the same transmission if it's not the same transmission. A DTC transaxle is a transaxle. What's really interesting is the question of whether there's an AWD version of the GT500 coming down the pike. 700+HP has to go somewhere and spreading it across four wheels is better than two. Coming soon to a Ford Mustang near you...

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

What is going on here....

$100k gt500 was a hard concept to respectfully shoot down.

This new one, the awd speculation is even harder...

Guys chill and be well. The gt500 is a gt2, the voodoo will remain the gt3.

Don’t fall down this rabbit whole of bashing or sniping the new model, it will always cheapen your efforts

 

[SVT_Troy]

I can’t see them costing upwards of 80k+. That’s Z06 and Viper territory and I’d rather have either of those over the GT500.

The new performance car game is quickly getting out of hand and away from the average persons reach...


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[Dusten]

The link doesn't work, unfortunately.

There is this quote from the AA article: "Development of the DCTs started in 2013 and there are three variants planned in total: one for rear-wheel-drive vehicles, one for all-wheel-drive applications, and one with a transaxle. The RWD application is obviously for the Shelby GT500, and the transaxle application is more than likely for the mid-engine C8 Corvette. All three share the same internals with minor differences for their final packaging."

My point was that it's not the same transmission if it's not the same transmission. A DTC transaxle is a transaxle. What's really interesting is the question of whether there's an AWD version of the GT500 coming down the pike. 700+HP has to go somewhere and spreading it across four wheels is better than two. Coming soon to a Ford Mustang near you...

If just the case is different, the r&d cost is much easier to share compared to a complete new design.

 

[Dusten]

I can’t see them costing upwards of 80k+. That’s Z06 and Viper territory and I’d rather have either of those over the GT500.

The new performance car game is quickly getting out of hand and away from the average persons reach...


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A base gt is 32k... It runs 11s stock

 

[07 Black Beauty]

I can’t see them costing upwards of 80k+. That’s Z06 and Viper territory and I’d rather have either of those over the GT500.

The new performance car game is quickly getting out of hand and away from the average persons reach...


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Fully optioned 13/14 gt500's came in the low $70k range, this new gt500 has more power, more tech and more options not to mention inflation. This car will easily be $80k+

 

[WVTrakPak]

Will the next GT350 have the new 7 speed auto or will they discontinue the car????

I like this question and it got me to thinking. I hope they do not put a manual in the GT500 and I also hope they never put an auto in the the GT350. They are distinctly different cars with different purposes and I hope they go for years selling them both.

 

[ANGREY]

Fully optioned 13/14 gt500's came in the low $70k range, this new gt500 has more power, more tech and more options not to mention inflation. This car will easily be $80k+

I'll go a step further. It CAN'T be less than a certain amount without cannibalizing the 350 sales. Ford isn't AS full of idiots as GM. Why did the camaro go toes up for a period? Because the idiots had the price point near to a base vette.

Offering the GT500 at anything even close to a 350R IS going to hurt sales and value of 350R. The R guys can keep their rosey glasses on and deny it, but it's absolutely true. We've been round this bush a thousand times about different cars....different purposes, blah blah blah, but there's a VERY large % of the buying population that will look at the 2 and go "so wait a minute, for $71k I get the R, and for an additional $4k I get, bigger wheels, bigger brakes, carbon fiber ds, a blower, etc, etc?"

If you ignore the "purists" and examine the buying habits of most people, the 500 can't be within arms reach of the 350/R without affecting sales.

 

[Dusten]

I like this question and it got me to thinking. I hope they do not put a manual in the GT500 and I also hope they never put an auto in the the GT350. They are distinctly different cars with different purposes and I hope they go for years selling them both.

A dct is a more track ready trans than a manual. This car doesnt have an auto.

The gt350 would be faster with a dct.

 

[ViperRed91GT]

Fully optioned 13/14 gt500's came in the low $70k range, this new gt500 has more power, more tech and more options not to mention inflation. This car will easily be $80k+

It also had an engine that was shared with nothing else, a huge economy of scale issue.