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Best heat exchanger currently on the market?
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<blockquote data-quote="Van@RevanRacing" data-source="post: 14302439" data-attributes="member: 69847"><p>I have not said anything "bashing" the AFCO and if that is your perception that was not my intention. I simply called into question the core technology and what core the other vendors are using. I've visually inspected the core from AFCO. It is denser and thicker (harder for air to flow through) than the C&R core. The C&R core flows a higher air volume and the fin design allows for maximum heat extraction. Similar to why you bought a supercharged GT500 versus a GT. (It is what is inside that counts) Why not know and/or ask what is inside (ie. core)?</p><p></p><p>There are numerous threads on the topic of heat exchangers with fans on SVTP. </p><p></p><p>You're fairly new to SVTP so I'll do a brief summary. I brought the original dual fan heat exchanger for the GT500 to market. It was my original thought and design. I data logged it and I tested it extensively on road courses and customer cars on drag strips. I proved it worked. We provided data and data logs years ago. I was not a vendor or even selling parts and components at the time. I was road racing and needed a better cooling system because everything available at the time was insufficient. I created a business that has grown into what it is today. Hard work and perseverance.</p><p></p><p>About six months after the cooling system design I had sold quite a few systems and I was introduced to the then President of Shelby American, Amy Boylan. All of the Shelby American cooling systems are produced by C&R still to this day. We tested everything out there when the other manufacturers came calling to sell their product to Shelby and there was no increase in efficiency with either the heat exchanger or the radiator on the test cars.</p><p></p><p>You see I was first to market. Then the product was replicated by other companies. ( I looked at getting a Patent but my lawyer told me I wasn't the first guy to put fans on a radiator or heat exchanger, LOL ) At the time I proved my product was the most effective on the market. Since then others have come to market and claimed to be more efficient than the original without testing or providing data proving otherwise.</p><p></p><p>There is one company with a dual fan heat exchanger that will remain nameless that claimed to have a better product. Then they approached me about testing their new product on my car (my 2007 GT500 at the time) to gather data and information as they hadn't tested it on a GT500 yet.......what? Yes that is 100% true. Testing never happened although I offered to do so and even offered to work with them on the comparison data analysis. They claimed to have a better product but hadn't even tested it and then asked me to do the testing. Irony.</p><p></p><p>You mention a "few G's worth of parts and a few days of testing" it all sounds easy once you consider time and money to get to a track for the controlled testing and then getting a non-partison party to do the logs........it isn't as easy as it sounds. I'm a licensed Time Trial driver. I have the unique ability to take products and test them more aggressively than most over multiple timed sessions and other open road course venues to data log and capture information. In so doing I've also had the ability to capture data on customer cars with different combinations as well.</p><p></p><p>I say my product is better based on empirical data that I provided years ago.</p><p></p><p>It says something when you can simply lean on the brand name without ever actually testing and providing comprehensive data as I did in the very beginning.</p><p></p><p>Brand "X" says theirs is better. That is all.</p><p>Brand "Y" says theirs is better. That is all.</p><p>Brand "Z" says theirs is better. That is all.</p><p></p><p>So I'm simply trying to point out that the most important piece of a heat exchanger is the core. Ford tripled the size of the core in 2013/2014 GT500's and went with a different core.</p><p></p><p>You've brought up some great points. I don't intend to bash any product as much as I intend for people viewing this thread to be informed and ask questions.</p><p></p><p>I was approached by AFCO to sell their product and I declined because it wasn't the most efficient based on my data logs and others. Despite the fact I could make more money per unit if I sold the AFCO product I had to stay with what I have seen work better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Van@RevanRacing, post: 14302439, member: 69847"] I have not said anything "bashing" the AFCO and if that is your perception that was not my intention. I simply called into question the core technology and what core the other vendors are using. I've visually inspected the core from AFCO. It is denser and thicker (harder for air to flow through) than the C&R core. The C&R core flows a higher air volume and the fin design allows for maximum heat extraction. Similar to why you bought a supercharged GT500 versus a GT. (It is what is inside that counts) Why not know and/or ask what is inside (ie. core)? There are numerous threads on the topic of heat exchangers with fans on SVTP. You're fairly new to SVTP so I'll do a brief summary. I brought the original dual fan heat exchanger for the GT500 to market. It was my original thought and design. I data logged it and I tested it extensively on road courses and customer cars on drag strips. I proved it worked. We provided data and data logs years ago. I was not a vendor or even selling parts and components at the time. I was road racing and needed a better cooling system because everything available at the time was insufficient. I created a business that has grown into what it is today. Hard work and perseverance. About six months after the cooling system design I had sold quite a few systems and I was introduced to the then President of Shelby American, Amy Boylan. All of the Shelby American cooling systems are produced by C&R still to this day. We tested everything out there when the other manufacturers came calling to sell their product to Shelby and there was no increase in efficiency with either the heat exchanger or the radiator on the test cars. You see I was first to market. Then the product was replicated by other companies. ( I looked at getting a Patent but my lawyer told me I wasn't the first guy to put fans on a radiator or heat exchanger, LOL ) At the time I proved my product was the most effective on the market. Since then others have come to market and claimed to be more efficient than the original without testing or providing data proving otherwise. There is one company with a dual fan heat exchanger that will remain nameless that claimed to have a better product. Then they approached me about testing their new product on my car (my 2007 GT500 at the time) to gather data and information as they hadn't tested it on a GT500 yet.......what? Yes that is 100% true. Testing never happened although I offered to do so and even offered to work with them on the comparison data analysis. They claimed to have a better product but hadn't even tested it and then asked me to do the testing. Irony. You mention a "few G's worth of parts and a few days of testing" it all sounds easy once you consider time and money to get to a track for the controlled testing and then getting a non-partison party to do the logs........it isn't as easy as it sounds. I'm a licensed Time Trial driver. I have the unique ability to take products and test them more aggressively than most over multiple timed sessions and other open road course venues to data log and capture information. In so doing I've also had the ability to capture data on customer cars with different combinations as well. I say my product is better based on empirical data that I provided years ago. It says something when you can simply lean on the brand name without ever actually testing and providing comprehensive data as I did in the very beginning. Brand "X" says theirs is better. That is all. Brand "Y" says theirs is better. That is all. Brand "Z" says theirs is better. That is all. So I'm simply trying to point out that the most important piece of a heat exchanger is the core. Ford tripled the size of the core in 2013/2014 GT500's and went with a different core. You've brought up some great points. I don't intend to bash any product as much as I intend for people viewing this thread to be informed and ask questions. I was approached by AFCO to sell their product and I declined because it wasn't the most efficient based on my data logs and others. Despite the fact I could make more money per unit if I sold the AFCO product I had to stay with what I have seen work better. [/QUOTE]
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