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Ethanol and E85 Might Do More Environmental Harm then Good
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<blockquote data-quote="TrueBlueGT" data-source="post: 4797316" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>That article is looooaaaded with inaccuracies, assumptions, and just plain bs about the effects of ethanol production. Taking into account the greenhouse gases produced & chemicals used during the production phase of corn shows a ridiculously biased point of view (or simply an effort to stir up those unaware of modern agricultural process). Yes, production produces greenhouse gases & uses chemicals but the caveat to the scenario is the fact that those acres would be in production anyway (most likely - but not necessarily - in corn). The benefit to the producer as a result of ethanol production is a higher quantity demand for his product which = higher commodity prices. Either way, the commodity would be grown and said gases would be expelled....at least this way, the producer makes more money & we loosen the stranglehold if ever so slightly that OPEC has on us.</p><p></p><p>Yes, it is going to impact food prices. You don't reallocate ~12.5% of production capacity to a different venue without having some reverberations through the rest of the market. What we may see is more of the previously non-tilled acres (conservation reserve program or CRP) taken out of reserve and put back into production.</p><p></p><p>I could go on about this but don't feel like typing more right now. As a final thought, the author discussed the negative aspects of ethanol. One of the listed negativities was 'social unrest' in mexico over increased prices of tortillas which are a staple food. I don't know about the rest of you red-blooded americans, but I'm so goddamn sick of all the pandering to mexico/mexicans that I could scream. Fck mexico. Send all the illegals back there & let them grow their own goddamn food. I'd take a more stable fuel supply over anything mexico has to offer the US. </p><p></p><p>[steps off soap box]</p><p></p><p>I'm going to get some more coffee now.....</p><p></p><p></p><p>PS: WVmystic....don't get too wound up about meat prices yet. We'll do what we've always done when the price of one feedstuff increases....feed something else. In this case, milo is becoming a much more popular feedstuff but it too has it's use in the ethanol industry. As I said, there will be reverberations through the economy. It all stems from our insatiable & ultimately unsustainable thirst for fuel. In the grand scheme of things though, the american consumer spends less than 12% of his/her per annum income on food. That % is by far the very lowest in the world and, although prices will go up some as a reaction to increased production prices, it won't be economy-collapsing type increases.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TrueBlueGT, post: 4797316, member: 14641"] That article is looooaaaded with inaccuracies, assumptions, and just plain bs about the effects of ethanol production. Taking into account the greenhouse gases produced & chemicals used during the production phase of corn shows a ridiculously biased point of view (or simply an effort to stir up those unaware of modern agricultural process). Yes, production produces greenhouse gases & uses chemicals but the caveat to the scenario is the fact that those acres would be in production anyway (most likely - but not necessarily - in corn). The benefit to the producer as a result of ethanol production is a higher quantity demand for his product which = higher commodity prices. Either way, the commodity would be grown and said gases would be expelled....at least this way, the producer makes more money & we loosen the stranglehold if ever so slightly that OPEC has on us. Yes, it is going to impact food prices. You don't reallocate ~12.5% of production capacity to a different venue without having some reverberations through the rest of the market. What we may see is more of the previously non-tilled acres (conservation reserve program or CRP) taken out of reserve and put back into production. I could go on about this but don't feel like typing more right now. As a final thought, the author discussed the negative aspects of ethanol. One of the listed negativities was 'social unrest' in mexico over increased prices of tortillas which are a staple food. I don't know about the rest of you red-blooded americans, but I'm so goddamn sick of all the pandering to mexico/mexicans that I could scream. Fck mexico. Send all the illegals back there & let them grow their own goddamn food. I'd take a more stable fuel supply over anything mexico has to offer the US. [steps off soap box] I'm going to get some more coffee now..... PS: WVmystic....don't get too wound up about meat prices yet. We'll do what we've always done when the price of one feedstuff increases....feed something else. In this case, milo is becoming a much more popular feedstuff but it too has it's use in the ethanol industry. As I said, there will be reverberations through the economy. It all stems from our insatiable & ultimately unsustainable thirst for fuel. In the grand scheme of things though, the american consumer spends less than 12% of his/her per annum income on food. That % is by far the very lowest in the world and, although prices will go up some as a reaction to increased production prices, it won't be economy-collapsing type increases. [/QUOTE]
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