Ford Performance and lack of Performance Numbers

[CGLhawk260]

They did, but those are the hero passes on the auto cars. No mention of the manual. Quoting hero passes to generate hype looks desperate.

Go to hellcat org. A lot of passes at 10.80-10.90 with drag radials.The stock 2006 Z06 that ran 10.99 is a hero pass.

http://www.hellcat.org/threads/post-your-1-8-1-4-times.3366/

Post Number 27#,36#,37#,59#,61#,103#,

Random one off post,
http://www.hellcat.org/threads/10-8-pass-in-the-cat.12920/

And this is only from one website.

 

[ON D BIT]

Now you're comparing drag radial hc times to stock tire c6z runs?

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Bone-Stock except Non-Stock Tires
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Rank~~ E.T.~~ Trap~ 60'~ Driver~~~~~ M.Yr. Details Thread Video
1~~~~ 10.715 130.32 1.60 Ranger ~~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread video
2~~~~ 10.750 128.19 1.56 Dr.Ron ~~~~~. 2009 details~~ thread
3~~~~ 10.787 129.45 1.57 Wndotintman~. 2009 details~~ thread
4~~~~ 10.831 130.05 1.70 Jamie Furman~ 2006 details~~ thread
5~~~~ 10.892 128.62 1.61 propain ~~~~~ 2008 details~~ thread
6~~~~ 10.896 125.71 1.60 Steve Row ~~~ 2009 details~~ thread video
7~~~~ 10.912 126.32 1.62 Dr.Ron ~~~~~. 2006 details~~
8~~~~ 10.921 128.31 1.64 C5 Frank ~~~~ 2006 details~~ thread
9~~~~ 10.958 127.22 1.67 walterm32~~~ 2008 details~~ thread

 

[CGLhawk260]

I am pointing out a one time hero run ie.. solar eclipse pass. For example: If six 2006 stock z06s ran 10.99 it's not a hero run or if six 2006 z06s with drag radials ran 10.70 it's not a hero pass. The Hellcat A8 10.8x 1/4 with drag radials is not a hero pass.

 

[THE_EVIL_TW1N]

I am pointing out a one time hero run ie.. solar eclipse pass. For example: If six 2006 stock z06s ran 10.99 it's not a hero run or if six 2006 z06s with drag radials ran 10.70 it's not a hero pass. The Hellcat A8 10.8x 1/4 with drag radials is not a hero pass.

I think top 5 in the whole country can count as hero runs. Obviously IMO.

 

[CGLhawk260]

You have a good point. What's the definition of a hero run? Toss out the top five? If we did that the 100% stock 13/14 gt 500 would be 11.73 and a 100% stock hellcat would be some number between 11.40-11.70 depending on the transmission. Good God we can't do that ,there would be anarchy in streets!!! Peace out.

 

[THE_EVIL_TW1N]

You have a good point. What's the definition of a hero run? Toss out the top five? If we did that the 100% stock 13/14 gt 500 would be 11.73 and a 100% stock hellcat would be some number between 11.40-11.70 depending on the transmission. Good God we can't do that ,there would be anarchy in streets!!! Peace out.

I know what you mean.

In the end, though, all that matters is what do cars run at your own local track, and just as important, on the same day. Everything is relative. Some tracks are faster regardless of DA. Some days everyone is trapping .4 / 4 mph (or more) slower on their best runs than what people post on the internet.

 

[GT Premi]

I am pointing out a one time hero run ie.. solar eclipse pass. For example: If six 2006 stock z06s ran 10.99 it's not a hero run or if six 2006 z06s with drag radials ran 10.70 it's not a hero pass. The Hellcat A8 10.8x 1/4 with drag radials is not a hero pass.

Out of thousands of Z06s, if 6 of them ran a fast time, it's the norm? :dw:

 

[jtfx6552]

If one car runs it one time, that's what they are capable of. HOWEVER, if there is only one case, and it's way out of the norm, there a chance that the person lied about whether the car was stock, or staged bad or had a beam malfunction or something.

Most go fast Lists will show what a car is capable of. The C6 Z06 list is a real indicator because there are a lot of data points, and they police (to at least some degree) what's posted.

I tend not to count that one 10 second run, If it was duplicatable, Ranger would have duplicated it.

 

[ON D BIT]

The fastest cars with the fastest drivers with the best conditions will never be the norm or ave of all drivers. Remember their will be some drivers that run mid 13 with the cars that consistently go 2 secs faster.
My general belief is this. If a good to great driver can jump in any or most stock vehicles, this case being the c6z, and put down a certain number in good weather that is what the car is capable of.
I don't believe anyone with decent knowledge would disagree that ranger or Jamie could put a 11.2-11.3 at 126+ with most stock c6z.
Sure some will go faster but what does that vehicle go as a whole?
On the same note they would be able to pull 10.7-10.8 with the same stock z on tires.

I feel the hc is faster than the gt500 which is barely faster than the c6z. However I feel the vette can out launch both by a good margin making them damn close or better than both the hc and 500 at the strip.

 

[Jfoster]

It's a track car, if you are worried about theoretical best 1/4 miles to tell random passerbys at car shows, I'm not really sure what to tell you.

Well if it's a track car, and they are confident in its abilities - they should do what the Viper ACR did; run it at different tracks and post up the numbers.

 

[BlownAway03]

Well if it's a track car, and they are confident in its abilities - they should do what the Viper ACR did; run it at different tracks and post up the numbers.

People kill me with this notion that you can excuse a track car from straight line scutinization. Can anyone name a fast track oriented car (C6Z, C7Z, Viper, etc) that doesn't also put up a respectable 1/4 mile time?

 

[Jfoster]

People kill me with this notion that you can excuse a track car from straight line scutinization. Can anyone name a fast track oriented car (C6Z, C7Z, Viper, etc) that doesn't also put up a respectable 1/4 mile time?

To be clear - I agree with you, I want to see it all. Some people say they don't care about 1/4 because it's a track car. I'm just saying - Ford isn't putting out THAT (laptimes) information, either. I really think that if you are as proud of a product as the Ford marketing team says they are of the GT350, you go set some numbers and show people. ESPECIALLY after you claim that it hangs with a 991 GT3 - can people really just say that, then go sell a car without proving it? I guess they can.

I have a GT350R on order, BTW - so this rant feels a little strange.

 

[krt22]

To be clear - I agree with you, I want to see it all. Some people say they don't care about 1/4 because it's a track car. I'm just saying - Ford isn't putting out THAT (laptimes) information, either. I really think that if you are as proud of a product as the Ford marketing team says they are of the GT350, you go set some numbers and show people. ESPECIALLY after you claim that it hangs with a 991 GT3 - can people really just say that, then go sell a car without proving it? I guess they can.

I have a GT350R on order, BTW - so this rant feels a little strange.

When has ford ever released track times for any of their cars?

Its easy to say look at what dodge is doing with the viper, but they are killing the car and obviously made it a mission to make a track beast version and send it with a bang

As for 1/4 mile times, as long as its running inline with what it should be based on this weight/power, then who cares about a few tenths here or there? If a new camaro SS runs a similar ET, that doesnt take away from the GT350 at all, since they are built for two different purposes and market segments.