Google testing super internet

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thank god for Google doing this.

Net Neutrality is pretty much ensured to stay with Google becoming an ISP. If Neutrality failed, like other ISP's want, youll browse channels like a tv and they will rape you every second you spend elsewhere or "out of zone/surfing". Google stood to lose the most, its the most widely used service next to windows itself, and would pretty much be killed if ISP's were successful.

Like i said though, if the entire internet were to turn into a bunch of channels, the next day a new internet would already be making connections. Now it seems Google will be heading that up.......Success!
 

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I don't see this as particularly useful currently. The only real benefit is for those large corporations that can afford some serious web server farms to be able to serve up their pages that fast. The average website will still be the same speed.

Now 5 years from now, everything is out the window so what do I know...
 

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I know this is new because well, its Google. But aren't these similar to speeds that Verizon FiOS is already offering?

'Google said that speed would be fast enough to download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five minutes.'

The speed may be fast enough but how many people have a machine capable of taking full advantage of that amount of bandwidth? Despite a fast connection, wouldn't you need a pretty high rate hard drive to keep up with that connection and download a high-definition movie in under 5 minutes? And who is serving content out at these speeds?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have that kind of bandwidth but these articles piss me off. They re-word a press release and now everyone can't wait to get this so they can download porn faster.
 

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I don't see this as particularly useful currently. The only real benefit is for those large corporations that can afford some serious web server farms to be able to serve up their pages that fast. The average website will still be the same speed.

Now 5 years from now, everything is out the window so what do I know...

I don't really know much about this sort of thing, but would a peer-to-peer download/upload work much faster assuming that both parties are on the same connection?
 

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I couldn't believe google had a commercial during the super bowl. I thought to myself "isn't googe everyone's homepage?" lol
 

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I don't really know much about this sort of thing, but would a peer-to-peer download/upload work much faster assuming that both parties are on the same connection?

Yep. BitTorrent had our DS3 at work moving faster than I've ever seen it.
 

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government invested billions into the FDA to have gbps internet infrastructure by 2005 or something like that, never happened. Japan has multi-gigabit internet speeds. We are lacking in our internet infrastructure and we are the biggest user.

Google is stepping up to the plate.

anyone with a couple thousand grand laying around should invest.
 

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I couldn't believe google had a commercial during the super bowl. I thought to myself "isn't googe everyone's homepage?" lol

I'm pretty sure my grandmother has Netscape lol. I can't count the amount of times I've had to reformat that thing. I would buy her a new PC but I know that a new OS would put her back at square one.

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I don't really know much about this sort of thing, but would a peer-to-peer download/upload work much faster assuming that both parties are on the same connection?

I couldn't believe google had a commercial during the super bowl. I thought to myself "isn't googe everyone's homepage?" lol

Theoretically. Theres a whole lot of variables that get added in to the situation, but I wouldn't count on anywhere near the full gigabit capability being usable.

Take for example the average cable or DSL connection at 10-15 megabit/s. You are probably only using an average of 1-2 Mb/S when you browse the internet. Its a combination of network congestion and the performance of the web server (among many others). Direct connections (like P2P) are somewhat of an exception.

Think of it as a TT cobra (your internet connection) being forced to drive the speed limit. Sure, it can go 200 MPH, but the road's wont let you. You'd need to go to a track (big websites who can afford the server and network performance) to be able to use those kinds of speeds.

It will work this way until the rest of the system catches up, which can take 5-10 years. There are still many people who use dialup connections which were primarily used in the 90's. By then, the next 'greatest thing since sliced bread' will be out and the cycle repeats itself.
 
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I know this is new because well, its Google. But aren't these similar to speeds that Verizon FiOS is already offering?

'Google said that speed would be fast enough to download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five minutes.'

The speed may be fast enough but how many people have a machine capable of taking full advantage of that amount of bandwidth? Despite a fast connection, wouldn't you need a pretty high rate hard drive to keep up with that connection and download a high-definition movie in under 5 minutes? And who is serving content out at these speeds?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have that kind of bandwidth but these articles piss me off. They re-word a press release and now everyone can't wait to get this so they can download porn faster.


new SSD drives are 10x as fast as even the fastest SATA3.0 drives.

Hardware isnt the issue. If you could download a 10gb BluRay rip in two minutes, your computer will be able to keep up no problem. Yesterday I transferred 15gb off my main drive to a mass storage usb in about a minute or so. I have a 3yo AMD 3.0ghz 6000+ dual core, 4gb DDR2 and a 8800GTX video card. Even most storebought machines running anything other than an intel onboard gpu chipset should run faster than my 3yo gaming rig.

As for P2P, that shit is DEAD. Torrents you are downloading from multiple seeders, so its not a 1on1 connection. They are all seeding a tiny bit of the file at tiny margin of their outgoing bandwidth, but when you have an awesome seeder/leecher (uploader/downloader) ratio (like 2000/500) you are gonna get some insane connection speeds. I downloaded 80gb in about a day or so (Battlestar Galactica - All in one - HD BluRay), Comcast cable bitches, i have the 16mb down+speedboost.
 

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government invested billions into the FDA to have gbps internet infrastructure by 2005 or something like that, never happened. Japan has multi-gigabit internet speeds. We are lacking in our internet infrastructure and we are the biggest user.

Google is stepping up to the plate.

anyone with a couple thousand grand laying around should invest.

Off topic, but China is the largest user of the internet.
 

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new SSD drives are 10x as fast as even the fastest SATA3.0 drives.

Yes and no. Only the current high end drives maintain those speeds, and very few people can afford those drives currently ($300+ for 120 GB). The cheaper SSD's have insane read speeds, but snail slow write speeds (think USB flash drives). However, the technology is improving at an insane rate, so this won't apply soon enough.

Yesterday I transferred 15gb off my main drive to a mass storage usb in about a minute or so.

What drive did you copy to? That registers to about 250 Megabytes per second, which I thought no traditional consumer spinning disks can handle. However, if there is a new drive out that can do this, let me know (I'm not trying to start anything)! :beer:

I have a 3yo AMD 3.0ghz 6000+ dual core, 4gb DDR2 and a 8800GTX video card. Even most storebought machines running anything other than an intel onboard gpu chipset should run faster than my 3yo gaming rig.

Common misconception with computers - the processor, memory (if you have enough), and video card are most likely not a bottleneck anymore unless you are a gamer or heavy power user. Surprisingly enough, it is the hard drive that causes most of the slowness of the average PC. Thats the reason I run an external drive enclosure with some speedy SAS drives in it running RAID. Windows boots in an insanely short amount of time, and the system is fully functional about 2-3 seconds after I enter my password to log in. For the record, I'm running Windows Server 2008 R2 domain controller for my primary computer.

Your PC there is still a veritable powerhouse for everyday tasks. Just through in some Raptor's or SSD's at it and your PC will be faster than anything you can buy off the shelf!
 
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Your PC there is still a veritable powerhouse for everyday tasks. Just through in some Raptor's or SSD's at it and your PC will be faster than anything you can buy off the shelf!

Yep. It's real easy to run up against the I/O limits of a drive, especially large ones, unless you have deep pockets. I've run into this a lot recently while trying to speed servers up.It's all about bad ass drives and it sounds like Thomas has some. I've used identical machines side by side, one with a hard drive and the other with solid state and the speed difference, including downloads was amazing.
 

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What drive did you copy to? That registers to about 250 Megabytes per second, which I thought no traditional consumer spinning disks can handle. However, if there is a new drive out that can do this, let me know (I'm not trying to start anything)! :beer:

lol dang called out!

nah it was like 12.4gb and it took "about a minute or so". I didnt think my "My Documents" folder was that big! i guess a decades worth of pics ive been slowly accumulating and transferring from drive to drive adds up (and no, no pronz either!)

sure didnt take long!
 

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I couldn't believe google had a commercial during the super bowl. I thought to myself "isn't googe everyone's homepage?" lol

We watched the commercials on XBOX live the night after the Superbowl and the google commercial made Molly cry. It was the baby part, no doubt.
 

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