Guys,
I'm completing an install of Hawk Pads on Baer Eradispeed 2 Piece Rotors this weekend on my 2001 Cobra.. Has anyone had issues with fitting this combination together..
Are the Rotors too thick ?? Pads Too Thick ??..
I've had a fun week talking to hawk performance and the answer from them sucked.. They said that they sometimes mix up the front caliper set and ship out 2 of the same side inner pads (2 left inners or 2 right inners)..
This is not my case and the only other explanation I've found is that the wear indicators and nipples for the wear indicators have to be ground off to make the pad sit flat in the caliper... I'm going to grind the nipples off and hopefully be done with it...
But has anyone else seen this issue ??? Especially with Baer Rotors and Hawk Pads...
INFO:
My Letter to Hawk Performance:
I've got a problem with a brake install.
Vehicle: 2001 Cobra
Rotor: Baer Eradispeed 2 plus 1 (2 piece OEM replacement for stock caliper)
Caliper: Stock OEM
Pad: HB111F.610 ( # is from Vendor's website)
Problem:
Originally I was told by several members of the mustang community that these
pads are known for not fitting cobra's that even use stock OEM rotors. Most
people sand down the pad to fit on a belt sander.
But, we noticed today that the Pads have a wear indicator attached to the
backplate. The wear indicator is attached to the back of the pad on an
embossment/rivet looking thing. The pads also have the embossment/rivet on
the other side with NO wear indicator attached ( in order words it's the
same back plate for both pads but one gets the wear inidcator attached and
the other is left alone to have the high embossment on the back. Now, when
compared to the Ford OEM cobra pads that have no wear indicators at all and
a backplate that is completly flat there is a problem with the design on
your pad not sitting flat in the caliper..
This Embossment appears to be causing the problem. When the pads are placed
into the caliper, they must be sitting at a very slight angle and causing
the rotor to jam in the caliper upon assembly not completely go down between
the pads.
Alot of people on the internet experience this problem but not the true
solution. I now believe that the answer is not to take down the brake pad in
height like everyone else does on a belt sander (which can't be done
accurately anyways) ...
You need to remove the wear indicators and the embossment on the back so the
pad will sit flat against the caliper when inserted and then pass around the
rotor into place.
Let me know your thoughts on this... I am not going to do any work until
Friday and would like your feedback on this issue
The pads are verified as HB111 front's..
The reply with my Comments:
I've had reply correspondance with Hawk's Tech Support and Engineering staff.
I got an answer from their engineers which is almost retarded.. They said it's a known problem that the set ships with two inner pads of the same side (2 left inners or 2 right inners).. This still is not my issue because I can put together the drivers side set and passenger side set with perfect line up of all notches to fit each caliper.
The Answer is simple. Grind off the the Wear Indicator tab and nipple on the back plates of the front pads , and grind off the nipple on the backplate of the rear pads (there is no wear indicator attached to the rear only the nipple exists because the plate they use is the same all the way around)... These friggin bumps/nipples are cocking the pad at an angle and preventing the caliper from going over the rotor.
Several Ford Mechanics have said the same thing... ANd the Ford OEM pads have no wear indicators which makes the back surface flat when inserted into the caliper.
Even Hawk said DO NOT GRIND down the pad surface.. you will glaze over the material and reduce the performance and the life of everything you installed.
-DC
I'm completing an install of Hawk Pads on Baer Eradispeed 2 Piece Rotors this weekend on my 2001 Cobra.. Has anyone had issues with fitting this combination together..
Are the Rotors too thick ?? Pads Too Thick ??..
I've had a fun week talking to hawk performance and the answer from them sucked.. They said that they sometimes mix up the front caliper set and ship out 2 of the same side inner pads (2 left inners or 2 right inners)..
This is not my case and the only other explanation I've found is that the wear indicators and nipples for the wear indicators have to be ground off to make the pad sit flat in the caliper... I'm going to grind the nipples off and hopefully be done with it...
But has anyone else seen this issue ??? Especially with Baer Rotors and Hawk Pads...
INFO:
My Letter to Hawk Performance:
I've got a problem with a brake install.
Vehicle: 2001 Cobra
Rotor: Baer Eradispeed 2 plus 1 (2 piece OEM replacement for stock caliper)
Caliper: Stock OEM
Pad: HB111F.610 ( # is from Vendor's website)
Problem:
Originally I was told by several members of the mustang community that these
pads are known for not fitting cobra's that even use stock OEM rotors. Most
people sand down the pad to fit on a belt sander.
But, we noticed today that the Pads have a wear indicator attached to the
backplate. The wear indicator is attached to the back of the pad on an
embossment/rivet looking thing. The pads also have the embossment/rivet on
the other side with NO wear indicator attached ( in order words it's the
same back plate for both pads but one gets the wear inidcator attached and
the other is left alone to have the high embossment on the back. Now, when
compared to the Ford OEM cobra pads that have no wear indicators at all and
a backplate that is completly flat there is a problem with the design on
your pad not sitting flat in the caliper..
This Embossment appears to be causing the problem. When the pads are placed
into the caliper, they must be sitting at a very slight angle and causing
the rotor to jam in the caliper upon assembly not completely go down between
the pads.
Alot of people on the internet experience this problem but not the true
solution. I now believe that the answer is not to take down the brake pad in
height like everyone else does on a belt sander (which can't be done
accurately anyways) ...
You need to remove the wear indicators and the embossment on the back so the
pad will sit flat against the caliper when inserted and then pass around the
rotor into place.
Let me know your thoughts on this... I am not going to do any work until
Friday and would like your feedback on this issue
The pads are verified as HB111 front's..
The reply with my Comments:
I've had reply correspondance with Hawk's Tech Support and Engineering staff.
I got an answer from their engineers which is almost retarded.. They said it's a known problem that the set ships with two inner pads of the same side (2 left inners or 2 right inners).. This still is not my issue because I can put together the drivers side set and passenger side set with perfect line up of all notches to fit each caliper.
The Answer is simple. Grind off the the Wear Indicator tab and nipple on the back plates of the front pads , and grind off the nipple on the backplate of the rear pads (there is no wear indicator attached to the rear only the nipple exists because the plate they use is the same all the way around)... These friggin bumps/nipples are cocking the pad at an angle and preventing the caliper from going over the rotor.
Several Ford Mechanics have said the same thing... ANd the Ford OEM pads have no wear indicators which makes the back surface flat when inserted into the caliper.
Even Hawk said DO NOT GRIND down the pad surface.. you will glaze over the material and reduce the performance and the life of everything you installed.
-DC
