Help on next mods!

[RedVenom48]

The last few weeks ive been enjoying my newfound freedoms in Arizona. One of them is the freedom to make my car what i want her to be. While i am NOT able to jump on board the TVS train just yet, I am reasonably close to affording mods to give me a bump in power and properly set me up for a bigger blower in the future. I got 2 ive narrowed down so here we go!

1. Mod for E85. I ultimately at this point am not expecting to go past 750 rwhp due to stock short block. That means ive got about 200-250 wheel power to play with. Currently running stock M122 with 2.5" pulley, JLT 123MM intake, NGK TR7ixs and Off road H pipe.

Upgrades will be to run a returnless system using either Bosch EV14 95# injectors or ID1050xs. Depends on how much i want to throw at injectors. e85 fuel filter, and a Kenne Bell Competition 21v BAP. Currently tuned through Lund Racing. Obviously will make my fuel system ready for a TVS.

2. Dynatech Long Tube headers. Its the cheaper of the two options, but will add some scavenging to the exhauast and some hp/torque gains. Headers will mean my exhaust upgrades are complete.

Opinions and comments welcomed. Go vote!

 

[Pribilof]

LTH will be more fun while you save for the TVS, sounds mean, and will be a great freedom celebration after being in CA.

 

[sleek98]

Unless Lund has changed, they wont tune E85 on a 11/12 without a full return system.

 

[RedVenom48]

Any recommendations for a tuner with a returnless system?

JDM?

 

[Willie]

Methanol. Much less cost prohibitive than E85 and just as effective....
And no decrease in gas mileage....
Where you at now?

 

[1st usa car]

headers .

 

[99cobraUgotbit]

Headers no question. Sound, less boost, oh and the install is fun!

 

[Willie]

E85 cons that everyone should understand before deciding:
1) 30 percent less gas mileage.
2) Difficult cold starts.
3) Much longer hot starts.
4) Does NOT reduce IAT2's.
5) May be harder to find. Plan your trip carefully.
6) Quality varies. Are you actually pumping E40 or E60? This will impact your tune.
7) Additional wash down of cylinder walls as you are running this 100 percent, unlike methanol. This means oil breakdown occurs significantly quicker.
8) Alcohol absorbs moisture, so if the car sits, the fuel system will turn into "funk".

Just a few pros for methanol:
1) Can still run pump gas.
2) Does not impact gas mileage.
3) Only used under load.
4) Substantially lowers IAT2's - great in hot climates like Arizona...
5) No storage or fuel system issues.
6) Easier on engine oil.

One more thing to think about...>> The E85 you get at the corner gas station may be sitting in their tank for a long time because virtually no one except ricers buy it. What kind of quality of gas you are getting is unknown. Are you willing to pump this stuff into your pride and joy 100 percent of the time??? Food for thought.

 

[Dinosgt]

E85 cons that everyone should understand before deciding:
1) 30 percent less gas mileage.
2) Difficult cold starts.
3) Much longer hot starts.
4) Does NOT reduce IAT2's.
5) May be harder to find. Plan your trip carefully.
6) Quality varies. Are you actually pumping E40 or E60? This will impact your tune.
7) Additional wash down of cylinder walls as you are running this 100 percent, unlike methanol. This means oil breakdown occurs significantly quicker.
8) Alcohol absorbs moisture, so if the car sits, the fuel system will turn into "funk".

Just a few pros for methanol:
1) Can still run pump gas.
2) Does not impact gas mileage.
3) Only used under load.
4) Substantially lowers IAT2's - great in hot climates like Arizona...
5) No storage or fuel system issues.
6) Easier on engine oil.

One more thing to think about...>> The E85 you get at the corner gas station may be sitting in their tank for a long time because virtually no one except ricers buy it. What kind of quality of gas you are getting is unknown. Are you willing to pump this stuff into your pride and joy 100 percent of the time??? Food for thought.

Willie - I recall some of your posts about your experience with methanol.

Your experience persuaded me not to run the snow kit, given it's very limited ability to lower IAT2 when added pre blower.

Given your post above, are you recommending it be installed under the blower?

Thx.

(Not trying to hijack the thread)


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[Willie]

Your experience persuaded me not to run the snow kit, given it's very limited ability to lower IAT2 when added pre blower.

Given your post above, are you recommending it be installed under the blower?

Dino,
Let's limit this conversation as this is not completely on-topic, so I will only answer your question.
Correct, adding a nozzle pre-blower will not reduce air temps post-blower any significant amount, if at all. (No change in my case.) This is why I use four nozzles post-blower and one pre-blower. My setup is from alkycontrol.com. Stainless lines and brass fittings, impervious to methanol...

 

[Dinosgt]

Dino,
Let's limit this conversation as this is not completely on-topic, so I will only answer your question.
Correct, adding a nozzle pre-blower will not reduce air temps post-blower any significant amount, if at all. (No change in my case.) This is why I use four nozzles post-blower and one pre-blower. My setup is from alkycontrol.com. Stainless lines and brass fittings, impervious to methanol...

Many thanks Willie.

Good luck with the upgrades Lexustech48. And congrats on leaving the west coast socialist republic


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[gimmie11s]

e85 all the way. Race gas grade fuel for $2/gal is a no brainer. You can run the motor closer to the edge with less fear of blowing it up.


OP how do you like the car with your current mods? I just ordered a tune, JLT 123mm intake, and 2.6 pulley. Cant wait to throw it all on.

 

[Willie]

Race gas grade fuel for $2/gal is a no brainer.

IF that is what you are getting out of the pump. No guarantees...

You can run the motor closer to the edge with less fear of blowing it up.

I'm assuming you are saying there's a greater chance of catastrophic damage with methanol? What if the quality of your E85 is E40 or E60 and you don't know it? If your tune is running close to the edge, what would happen? Kaboom, yes?

Yes, you are not at WOT, probably 95 percent of your driving. So why do you need "race gas" 100 percent of the time? I'll do the math>> If you were getting 15 mpg, now you are getting 10 mpg... Is it worth it? Just trying to be practical here.

In my tunes, even if the methanol were to fail for any reason, damage will not occur. It will just run slower. I suppose I hold the secrets to a good methanol tune that years of running it has evolved into. Also, I've used it in many cars over many years and it has yet to fail once..

 

[gimmie11s]

IF that is what you are getting out of the pump. No guarantees...

A tester is cheap. Worse ive ever seen pump e85 test was ~e82 here in SoCal. Negligible and will make the car run slightly richer if anything.

I'm assuming you are saying there's a greater chance of catastrophic damage with methanol? What if the quality of your E85 is E40 or E60 and you don't know it? In my tunes, even if the methanol were to fail for any reason, damage will not occur. It will just run slower. I suppose I hold the secrets to a good methanol tune that years of running it has evolved into. Also, I've used it in many cars over many years and it has yet to fail once..

I was comparing to pump gas. I have no personal experience with methanol.

However: To me... methanol makes 0 sense if you have pump e85 close to you. Why add another pump, lines, injectors, write a new tune, worry about it failing while WOT, etc etc.

e85 is a game changer in the performance car world.


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[Phantomhalo]

+1^...I have lots of respect for Willie and his meth experience but since switching to E85 my sources have been pretty consistent and above E80 even during the winter time. I understand about not "needing" race has when you're not going WOT 95% of the time, but you never know when that Enzo is going to pull up next to you at the light. You'll be kicking yourself in the balls all the way home for missing that chance of a lifetime! ;-) Point being E85 is a viable every day race has source for those of us who like long drives in Mexico. Meth is great if you can plumb it right and get the right person to tune it. I bought a kit and no one would get me a tune via mail order or remote tune. I had to sell it because if this and just said F it, and went E85. Yes, it can be inconsistent and there are risks, but you can minimize those risks by sticking with a good station and test every tank or batch you buy. Some guys buy 55 gallons at a time and just test that when they get it. Side note, I get about 8 mpgs in town on E85. About 12 on the highway. So yeah, gas mileage will suck ass, but it's worth it in my eyes when a Z06 or Viper pulls up on the highway to have that power on tap. (In Mexico of course!)

 

[Phantomhalo]

^Race Gas not race has...damn autocorrect! (I can't edit the post from my cell phone for some reason.)

 

[Willie]

I appreciate the thoughts Phantomhalo. Let me clarify one issue you raise. When that Enzo pulls up inciting me in my methanol equipped GT500, I have all the power methanol will give me. Remember, it works only when needed, regardless of if I have 91 in my tank.

Just remember you E85 guys, change your oil about twice as much as you used to and you should be okay in terms of engine wear and tear.

 

[Willie]

As far as E85 quality, I do not have any personal experience, only what I have read. That's why I raised it as a possible concern. It's good you guys have a tester. I would too.

 

[rotor_powerd]

There are methods of tuning 11+ cars to be "flex fuel," making them capable of calculating the ethanol content of fuel on the fly. E85 is far superior than supplementing pump gas with methanol. If you're looking to modify your "toy" for performance, then the fuel mileage penalty and increase oil changes are negligible. That's just part of it.

 

[gimmie11s]

couldn't agree more... E85 really is amazing. Some platforms have taken longer to adapt, but it only takes a few people to switch and then the WHOA holy crap! moment happens haha.