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Kenne bell competition dual boost-a-pump makes 1020 rwhp (1200ehp)
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<blockquote data-quote="Carbd86GT" data-source="post: 9123480" data-attributes="member: 15339"><p>Jim,</p><p></p><p>That was not Jared that wrote that reply, that was myself, Derek Perez. </p><p></p><p>I would like to touch on something that Tony (thebull) brought up. I'm sure you know that turbo's require less pump and injector duty cycle due to their lower parasitic loss versus any blower, and running a car on the dyno is different than running the car with REAL load on the street. Even at 1000 rwhp (what matters), do you really think that turbo car would not max out the pumps and injectors when making a 4th gear pull on the street with how it was tuned with your Competition BAP? With that being said, the blower with it's higher parasitic loss of HP would actually require MORE fuel (pump and injector duty cycle) to make less power, so 1000 rwhp will not happen with a blower like it did with the turbo car. As for the turbo car again, if there was still more fuel volume to be had with the stock pumps and the Comp. BAP with just the swap to 160 lb injectors, why didn't Evo just swap to the 160's? I mean, 160's are a lot cheaper than a $1,900 triple return fuel system that Lethal Performance pioneered, so why not go that route? I don't think we need a .pdf file to explain that one ;-) </p><p></p><p>The fact of the matter is, the BAP has it's place for someone on a budget with a bolt on street car. When it comes to making big power, stock pumps and lines with a high output guitar amplifier just isn't going to cut it. If all anyone really needed was just a BAP for 1000 engine HP, why don't any of the NMRA or NMCA racers just stick with stock lines, pumps with a BAP? Hmmm, I don't think we need a .pdf explanation for that one either :bored:</p><p></p><p>The response below is in Jared's own words as he is at PRI, enjoy :thumbsup:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Yes we are fortunate to have Jon tune for us as we are not tuners. In the same way you're lucky to have HPS in sweden design and manufacturer those superchargers that you label and sell under the name Kenne Bell.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Wow.. How shocking. You pulled out one of your BS PDF files. As if we had no idea that was coming. Here's another PDF which you should read carefully. It pretty much sums things up. </strong></p><p><strong>INSERT. Triple pump system --->BAP.</strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. Like I have any interest in working on cars. You know our business from day one is to distribute parts. The same reason we didn't "qualify" to sell your blowers back when. Glad you finally thawed out from the iceage and accepted that the "internet" is a place of business and how much of that business you lost during that time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I take back what I said about you waking up from the iceage because you seem to have missed out that there's another type of dyno which was introduced during your sleep. Its called a Mustang Dyno. Read up on it and then put a nice PDF together for us to explain the difference between it and a dynojet. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Yes I will stick to what I do best which is distributing parts as long as you promise me to keep on doing what you do best which is fooling people into believing your BAP is a real fuel system. Its not which is why it was pulled off the evo car. They put a "real" system in. Yes a return style triple pump system which I will take credit for as I was the one to have Justin@Fore Precision actually make that happen. Maybe that's why you have such anger towards me? Because I worked with others to bring another option to the market? Something that made it so your guitar amplifier wasn't the only game in town?</strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Never said it was running a returnless system. You just assumed I did which is your mistake. And they aren't Viper pumps or return style pumps.. keep guessing.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Jim, </strong></p><p><strong>I am the person that made that triple return hat come to life. If it wasn't for me asking Justin to make it Evo wouldn't have had that option to go with. Yes, my motivation to bring other options to the market allowed them to have another option other than yours.</strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Right Jim. As with any system a larger injector will give more room. I'm so happy you taught me that and I appreciate the lesson.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The frankensystem must have been good enough for your boys at Evo as they replaced your Boost a clunk gimic of a fuel system with one. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Again, </strong></p><p><strong>We'll go back to the same thing. I have others build and test products for me in the same way you do. HPS designs, manufacturers and tests the blowers you call "Kenne Bell". The same way Mercury Magnetics manufacturers and tests the amplifiers you call "Boost a pumps". You're no different than me except that I haven't been frozen in ice for 20 years. </strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Its so interesting that its NOT running the BAP anymore but a "pump people" inspired triple pump system. NO BAP. Don't you understand that? </strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Funny that your calling me the babbler. Look at every post you make. Every PDF you have. Its all drawn out garbage being spewed to make the customer that doesn't know better think that you have the answers. You just overload them with your propaganda hoping that they will just accept it. I'll be more than happy to test the 3 pump against a bap and stock pumps. But its not going to happen in your magical shop with your magical dyno. You know the one that never gets customers the same results as you guys advertise? Can't tell you how many times I see that. </strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>PDF PDF PDF... There you go again Jim. Back to the only thing you know. Overloading the customer with bs to make you actually look like you know what you're talking about. No doubt you've been in the game a long time and do have more experience than I do. However, you still can't do anything else other than go back to your PDF's.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Ha.. Evolution agrees. That's funny. They're in the same shady circle as you. I'm real confident that we'll get the truth from them.:nonono: </strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Whether you respect me or not I know I take up space in that head of yours. How you basically whine about me selling Whipple and have taken away from your BAP business by providing another fuel option. Its flattering and when I hear stuff like that it reassures me that I'm doing my job. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong><span style="color: Lime">edit by Derek: Jim, I would like to see a .pdf file with a bar graph showing the spike in BAP sales in the 2008-2009 fiscal year. Thanks.</span></strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Back to taking shots at us. No Jim we don't work out of a storage shed. We lease 4000sqft of warehouse space. If you ever come down you're welcome to come by and visit. There's a handicap entrance so you can roll yourself through the doors. There's even enough space to setup your favorite shuffleboard if you're in the mood. No dyno, No flow bench, no tools. Don't need em. That's not our business. We sell parts. Lots of em. The more you talk the less people want to buy anything from you. Millions of dollars of Whipples and no KB's so keep on talking and posting PDF's. Keep on hating and I'll keep on selling.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Carbd86GT, post: 9123480, member: 15339"] Jim, That was not Jared that wrote that reply, that was myself, Derek Perez. I would like to touch on something that Tony (thebull) brought up. I'm sure you know that turbo's require less pump and injector duty cycle due to their lower parasitic loss versus any blower, and running a car on the dyno is different than running the car with REAL load on the street. Even at 1000 rwhp (what matters), do you really think that turbo car would not max out the pumps and injectors when making a 4th gear pull on the street with how it was tuned with your Competition BAP? With that being said, the blower with it's higher parasitic loss of HP would actually require MORE fuel (pump and injector duty cycle) to make less power, so 1000 rwhp will not happen with a blower like it did with the turbo car. As for the turbo car again, if there was still more fuel volume to be had with the stock pumps and the Comp. BAP with just the swap to 160 lb injectors, why didn't Evo just swap to the 160's? I mean, 160's are a lot cheaper than a $1,900 triple return fuel system that Lethal Performance pioneered, so why not go that route? I don't think we need a .pdf file to explain that one ;-) The fact of the matter is, the BAP has it's place for someone on a budget with a bolt on street car. When it comes to making big power, stock pumps and lines with a high output guitar amplifier just isn't going to cut it. If all anyone really needed was just a BAP for 1000 engine HP, why don't any of the NMRA or NMCA racers just stick with stock lines, pumps with a BAP? Hmmm, I don't think we need a .pdf explanation for that one either :bored: The response below is in Jared's own words as he is at PRI, enjoy :thumbsup: [B]Yes we are fortunate to have Jon tune for us as we are not tuners. In the same way you're lucky to have HPS in sweden design and manufacturer those superchargers that you label and sell under the name Kenne Bell.[/B] [B]Wow.. How shocking. You pulled out one of your BS PDF files. As if we had no idea that was coming. Here's another PDF which you should read carefully. It pretty much sums things up. INSERT. Triple pump system --->BAP.[/B] Right. Like I have any interest in working on cars. You know our business from day one is to distribute parts. The same reason we didn't "qualify" to sell your blowers back when. Glad you finally thawed out from the iceage and accepted that the "internet" is a place of business and how much of that business you lost during that time. I take back what I said about you waking up from the iceage because you seem to have missed out that there's another type of dyno which was introduced during your sleep. Its called a Mustang Dyno. Read up on it and then put a nice PDF together for us to explain the difference between it and a dynojet. [B]Yes I will stick to what I do best which is distributing parts as long as you promise me to keep on doing what you do best which is fooling people into believing your BAP is a real fuel system. Its not which is why it was pulled off the evo car. They put a "real" system in. Yes a return style triple pump system which I will take credit for as I was the one to have Justin@Fore Precision actually make that happen. Maybe that's why you have such anger towards me? Because I worked with others to bring another option to the market? Something that made it so your guitar amplifier wasn't the only game in town?[/B] [B]Never said it was running a returnless system. You just assumed I did which is your mistake. And they aren't Viper pumps or return style pumps.. keep guessing.[/B] [B]Jim, I am the person that made that triple return hat come to life. If it wasn't for me asking Justin to make it Evo wouldn't have had that option to go with. Yes, my motivation to bring other options to the market allowed them to have another option other than yours.[/B] [B]Right Jim. As with any system a larger injector will give more room. I'm so happy you taught me that and I appreciate the lesson.[/B] The frankensystem must have been good enough for your boys at Evo as they replaced your Boost a clunk gimic of a fuel system with one. [B]Again, We'll go back to the same thing. I have others build and test products for me in the same way you do. HPS designs, manufacturers and tests the blowers you call "Kenne Bell". The same way Mercury Magnetics manufacturers and tests the amplifiers you call "Boost a pumps". You're no different than me except that I haven't been frozen in ice for 20 years. [/B] [B]Its so interesting that its NOT running the BAP anymore but a "pump people" inspired triple pump system. NO BAP. Don't you understand that? [/B] [B]Funny that your calling me the babbler. Look at every post you make. Every PDF you have. Its all drawn out garbage being spewed to make the customer that doesn't know better think that you have the answers. You just overload them with your propaganda hoping that they will just accept it. I'll be more than happy to test the 3 pump against a bap and stock pumps. But its not going to happen in your magical shop with your magical dyno. You know the one that never gets customers the same results as you guys advertise? Can't tell you how many times I see that. [/B] [B]PDF PDF PDF... There you go again Jim. Back to the only thing you know. Overloading the customer with bs to make you actually look like you know what you're talking about. No doubt you've been in the game a long time and do have more experience than I do. However, you still can't do anything else other than go back to your PDF's.[/B] [B]Ha.. Evolution agrees. That's funny. They're in the same shady circle as you. I'm real confident that we'll get the truth from them.:nonono: [/B] [B]Whether you respect me or not I know I take up space in that head of yours. How you basically whine about me selling Whipple and have taken away from your BAP business by providing another fuel option. Its flattering and when I hear stuff like that it reassures me that I'm doing my job. [B][COLOR="Lime"]edit by Derek: Jim, I would like to see a .pdf file with a bar graph showing the spike in BAP sales in the 2008-2009 fiscal year. Thanks.[/COLOR][/B] Back to taking shots at us. No Jim we don't work out of a storage shed. We lease 4000sqft of warehouse space. If you ever come down you're welcome to come by and visit. There's a handicap entrance so you can roll yourself through the doors. There's even enough space to setup your favorite shuffleboard if you're in the mood. No dyno, No flow bench, no tools. Don't need em. That's not our business. We sell parts. Lots of em. The more you talk the less people want to buy anything from you. Millions of dollars of Whipples and no KB's so keep on talking and posting PDF's. Keep on hating and I'll keep on selling.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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