Sorry dude, but you're trying to make a ridiculously pointless argument. I'm referring to all of what you've said about the termi, not just this Qoute. I've owned 04-12- now 15. They're all dramatically different cars, and the '15 is abondantly better in every way. Although heavier, basic mods will have them out performing all previous. If you feel like an argument, make a thread about it elsewhere.