Procharger.....No, Trilogy
Arrrggggggggggggggg oke:
You guys are funny :lol1:
Arrrggggggggggggggg oke:
You guys are funny :lol1:
MikesMerc said:Let's not.
There is a small handfull of Marauder owners working their assess of to organize the third annual meet...Marauderville III. The Motor City Marauders are hosting this event at the Woodward Dream Cruise this August. An event like this requires enormous man hours to plan, and significant financial resources. All this petty arguing, although amongst a small group, is more than enough to attract the attention of our supporting vendors. In the end, this bickering just hurts the national membership when vendors decide to "pull out" because they do not want to be involved with a bunch of arguing fools. (not pointing anyone out here, or flaming...I've been in the arguements myself too I'm embarassed to say).
So, whether you are a Marauder owner or not. Or whether you want to come to MV-III or not, I respectfully ask that you please discontinue pouring gas on an already unfortunate situation.
I sincerely hope you understand the importance of this request and can honor it. It would be greatly appreciated.
rocknrod said:Do you work at FP&L ? :lol: Thats an inside funny.
I can say as a NewB it is seriously rediculous.
MikesMerc said:In the end, this bickering just hurts the national membership
BillyGman said:here's my viewpoint.......while I agree that some arguments get too much out of hand, some debating can be good to bring some things to light. But as far as vendors pulling out, I don't agree with that (sorry Mike). As long as they're making money, or their is the potential to make money, then they will be there. it's their biz. We don't work for them, but they're supposed to be working for us. It's our dollars that support them, not the other way around. I'm not knocking vendors in general at all. however, internet boards should work in favor of the consumer also, and not just the vendors as is the case sometimes.
The vendors should know that whatever they do (good or bad) can effect their business and their standing on the internet boards, and that in itself will motivate them to treat their internet customers right. And if the vendor(s) in question are upstanding and honest business men, then they will not have any problem with that, and with people on these car boards being allowed to speak their mind. you can't please all the people all the time, and any good vendor will know that. but again, I do agree that some arguments get out of hand, and too personal. Unfortunately that's still better than total sensorship for the sake of protecting the vendors to an extent that NOTHING negative can be said about them at all even if it's true. So IMO we have the lesser of two evils here.However, there seems to be those who just like to start arguments simply for the sake of being entertained rather than to bring to light ant facts. And that's too bad that some people are like that.
Me too Chuck, but I don't think it will make much difference unless the owners/administrators as well as the moderators of the board(s) in question adopt this veiwpoint also, and are willing to allow their board members the freedom to hold the vendors accountable for their business practices. Unless they do, then some boards will always be much more of a benefit to their vendors than they are to their members who help to line the vendors pockets.tallboy said:WOW! Well-said, Billy! I hope every vendor out there reads your post!!! :beer:
BillyGman said:But as far as vendors pulling out, I don't agree with that (sorry Mike).
And you don't think that the fact that Marauders aren't being produced anymore, nor that they were produced in limited numbers in the two years that they even were produced has anything to do with that? Well I definately think that's a factor. There are Mustang owners on this board who are constantly going at it, but they still have plenty of vendor support because of their numbers, and because of the fact that Mustangs are still being produced. So there's $$ to be made for the vendors.MikesMerc said:Billy,
When it comes to vendors pulling out there is nothing here for you to agree or not agree with. The fact of the matter is that both Dave and I have taken phone calls from vendors doing exactly that....PULLING OUT!!
That's not a guess. That's not what you, or I, or anyone "thinks" might or might not happen....it IS HAPPENING!
And, for your information, the vendors pulling out, or considering pulling out, have NOTHING to do with the current arguements at hand at all. Its about LARGER vendors that aren't even on MM.net who are concerned about the viability of our group as a whole.
Sadly, you all missed the point of my post. This isn't about freedom of speech for those who want to express their satisfaction or displeasure with a vendor, its about having a group of people who spend more time ripping on one another than organizing events and having that behavior turn off NEW LARGER sponsors.
MikesMerc said:The fact of the matter is that both Dave and I have taken phone calls from vendors doing exactly that....PULLING OUT!!
That's not a guess. ....it IS HAPPENING!
BillyGman said:And you don't think that the fact that Marauders aren't being produced anymore, nor that they were produced in limited numbers in the two years that they even were produced has anything to do with that
Defyant said:Mike I have to agree w/ Billy on this one again. In fact, I'd like to know what vendor is giving you a hard time so i dont buy their product. Thats how you control the vendor! Not by playing politics.
Mike, Mike, Mike, since you're telling me and others here what we should've said, let me point out to you that you're asking us to back off from arguments, while you are headstrong engaged in one here yourself. Where's the example my friend? You're not setting too much of one here. You could've simply said...."yeah, I see your point Billy about the big picture, but just please keep in mind how hard Dave, myself and others are working on this MVIII event, and consider your tone in the near future, okay?"...and I would've agreed. but instead you had to take the Low road, and go head to head with me. Join the club. So it takes two Mike.MikesMerc said:No, I'm afraid I'm not going to take it easy. Dave and I have serious time spent on this effort and until you've been here doing it, you simply have no idea what its like. We likely have burned a few hundred hours each on this thing which is a lot of time away from our families. How much personal time have you sacrificed for the good of the national group Billy?
Furthermore, after taking time to develop and presentation and sit down with the marketing folks at Mercury (yes, that's right Mercury), we don't take lightly to folks that don't want tounderstand what we are trying to pull off. Dave, Jerry, and I sat in the Trilogy board room in front of no less than 10 others including Steve Bab****, Ned Nuss, and the main marketing guy from Mercury in an effort to secure support. That is serious shit my friend!
We are also entertaining corporate sponsorship from the Detroit Metro Mercury Dealers, Eaton, and a few others. This is the type of sponsorship that goes beyond MV-III.
So, needless to say, Dave and I are under a tiny bit of pressure to present our national group as one worthy of support. And, because it is indeed support for a DEAD car, saying that its been a tough road is an understatement.
All we hoped for was simple response like "Hey, Dave and Mike, no sweat, we'll tone it down a bit." Instead all we got on this thread was argument. Just another argument. LOL...kinda par for the course I guess.
And you wonder why some people don't want to get involved? Nice attitude Mike. Ofcourse by now the "Let's argue" title of this thread has been fulfilled.You can't instruct people not to argue when you yourself are the biggest contributor. :rollseyesMikesMerc said:Nice try to turn this one around on me Billy, but its not going to work.
Read my very first post. All I did was ask very nicley for a little restraint and you took exception to it. Plain and simple.
Don't bother with your compliments of the efforts Dave and I have put in. I know where you stand.
Enjoy your response and make it a good one, I'm off this sad thread.