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<blockquote data-quote="KEVINS" data-source="post: 15637895" data-attributes="member: 158789"><p>I want to say up front that the below process and materials worked on MY car. I'm sure there are others that will criticize, complain, correct, bitch or tell me how I could have done it better or how wrong I did it but I don't want to hear it. I tried several different methods, Pads and a few different polishes and the below gave me a swirl free finish in areas that I would grade a 9.5 out of 10 on my own personal car-show scale. I grew up around show cars and my dad has won Best Paint several times at the World of Wheels car show many years ago so I have an idea what a good paint job looks like.</p><p></p><p>My car has been repainted the factory color black and whoever painted the car did a crappy job of it so I was not trying to "fix" the paint. I only wanted to know how to polish it and not leave ANY swirl marks and I have proven to myself that the below process will do that on MY car. Use at your own discretion.</p><p></p><p>Most of the Materials I used were bought on Amazon.</p><p>Materials Used:</p><p></p><p>Buffer: Dewalt variable speed, Single Action. I did not use a dual action buffer.</p><p></p><p>2 different Polishing Pads: (1) 3M Perfect-It 8" Ultrafine Foam Polishing Pad P/N 05733-Blue and (2) 3M Perfect-It 8" Foam Compounding Pad P/N 05737-White</p><p></p><p>3m Rubbing Compound p/n 36060</p><p></p><p>Mequiars 205 Mirror Glaze</p><p></p><p>(Optional - Chemical Guys GAP-V38 Optical Grade Final Polish)</p><p></p><p>Microfiber Towel: Chemical Guys MIC35106 Happy Ending Edgeless, Red (16 in. x 16 in.) QTY 6 Minimum.</p><p></p><p>Poorboy's Black Hole Show Glaze</p><p></p><p>Poorboys Blue Nattys Paste Wax</p><p></p><p>CarPro Eraser Intense Oil & Polish Cleanser 500ml. Qty: 2 bottles min.</p><p></p><p>Small LED Pen light</p><p></p><p>Weather Temp: No higher than 85*. I tried polishing when the temps were higher (95*) and could NOT get the finish I wanted....UNLESS I had a fan blowing on the panel to keep it cooler.</p><p></p><p>Painters Tape to tape off edges and trim.</p><p></p><p>**************************************</p><p>I polished my car last year so the paint was already smooth and clean so I did not do any wet sanding.</p><p></p><p>1. Clean the panel real good with one of the above Microfiber towels and the CarPro Eraser to remove any polish or wax. You want to make sure that you're only working the paint and nothing is on top of it. Use ONLY that ONE towel for cleaning. Do NOT use it for later steps below. Designate each towel for a specific job and never mix them up. Getting a minimum of 6 towels is recommended more is better. If you drop one do not use it. Wash the dirty towels in Hot water every night they still remain incredibly soft even after about 20 washes.</p><p></p><p>2. Use the 3M White foam pad.</p><p></p><p>3. Place 5 spots (about the size of a nickle) of the 3M Rubbing Compound p/n 36060 in an area about 18"-24" square.</p><p></p><p>Note: The Autobody Supply shop sold me this compound last year and I don't know how it compares to other compounds but since I had a large bottle I decided to use it. I'm using this to simply clean the surface and to get the surface to a constant "texture/finish" and remove water spots and it worked great for me.</p><p></p><p>4. Initially use the buffer at 600 rpm to evenly distribute the rubbing compound on the 18-24" area that you want to polish.</p><p></p><p>5. Once the polish is evenly distributed speed the RPM's up to 1700rpm and polish that 18-24" area for 8-10 minutes. DO NOT re-apply more compound! Work those 5 dots of compound for 8-10 minutes. The foam pad will NOT scratch the paint. Just keep polishing.</p><p></p><p>Note: Moving the buffer Side to Side is really slow. I take about 4-6 seconds to move 18-24" maybe faster at times maybe slower at times but I got better results if I kept the movement slower.</p><p></p><p>6. After the 8-10 minutes is up apply 5 more dots just like above in the same area. Start at 600 RPM to evenly distribute the compound then increase the RPM to 1700 again and work the same area for another 8-10 minutes. Since the radio is on I listen to two or three songs before stopping.</p><p></p><p>7. Once the two polishing steps are done clean the polished area with a Fresh MF towel and the CarPro Eraser. ONLY use this MF Towel for wiping off this compound. Do NOT mix the towels up. Use another towel for the other compounds and keep them straight.</p><p></p><p>8. Turn the lights off in the garage and use the LED pen light and check the polishing marks to make sure they are consistent and covers the entire area that was worked. Repeat the process as needed or desired. You'll know if it needs to be done again after seeing what it looks like.</p><p></p><p>Note: This process can take out minor scratches so I used this to my advantage by repeating this process; about 4-5 times on the worst panels or areas before I even looked at it in the dark.</p><p></p><p>9. Using the designated MF Towel and CarPro Eraser wipe the panel off real good to get ALL the compound off the panel. Turn the lights off in the garage and use the LED pen light to see the compound still left on the panel (There will be some left) and wipe the panel off. Get ALL the compound off before switching pads/compounds.</p><p></p><p>10. Use the 3M Blue foam pad.</p><p></p><p>11. Place 5 spots about the size of a dime of the Meguairs 205 in the area you polished above.</p><p></p><p>12. Initially use the buffer at 600 rpm to evenly distribute the compound on the area that you want to polish.</p><p></p><p>13. Once the polish is evenly distributed speed the RPM's up to 1200rpm and polish the area for 8-10 minutes. DO NOT apply more compound! Work those 5 dots of compound for 8-10 minutes. The foam pad will NOT scratch the paint. Use the same slow movement as above.</p><p></p><p>14. After the 8-10 minutes are up Repeat Step 13 one more time but work it 10-15 minutes. The foam pad will NOT scratch the paint.</p><p></p><p>15. Using a DIFFERENT MF towel and the CarPro Eraser clean the surface and inspect it in the dark with the LED light. If you see swirl marks repeat this polishing process until you are happy with the finish. I have needed to do this process up to 5 times but the finish is great with no swirls in a lot of areas. Some areas where it's difficult to get a pad in still show some minor swirl marks, like the door handle area. See pics below.</p><p></p><p>16. Once you're happy with what you have use a fresh MF towel and squeeze some Poorboy's Black Hole Show Glaze onto the towel and VERY GENTLY smear the glaze on the paint surface. Try to evenly distribute it onto the surface.</p><p></p><p>Note: The instructions indicate that you can use a machine to apply this compound or to work it into the paint by hand. I tried working it into the paint by hand and ended up with polishing marks all over the panels and had to use the Blue pad and Meg's205 all over the panel to remove them. So my note to you is do not rub it into the surface with much pressure at all. Let this sit for about 10-15 minutes to let it dry.</p><p></p><p>17. Using another Fresh MF towel LIGHTLY wipe off the glaze. Try not to use any pressure while wiping it off. It can be difficult to wipe off in areas but just keep going over it lightly. I left marks that could be seen with the LED Light when I applied too much pressure.</p><p></p><p>18. Again, inspect the surface in the dark with the LED light and wipe off remaining glaze.</p><p></p><p>19. Using another Fresh MF towel LIGHTLY wipe Poorboys Blue Nattys Paste Wax over the paint surface of the vehicle and let dry for about 10-15 minutes.</p><p></p><p>20. Using another Fresh MF towel LIGHTLY wipe off the wax. Again No Pressure.</p><p></p><p>21. Again, inspect the surface in the dark with the LED light and wipe off remaining wax.</p><p></p><p>Notes:</p><p>Always use the CarPro Eraser before inspecting the panels. The polishes will leave a film on the surface that can hide polishing marks so make sure the surface is clean.</p><p></p><p>In place of the Meguiars 205 I read that Chemical Guys GAP-V38 Optical Grade Final Polish produces a better finish and is easier to use. Initially I used this after the Meg's 205 and initially thought it was leaving a better finish. However, I concluded that what gave it the better finish was simply polishing the surface again not the actual polish. Until I prove to myself otherwise I would grade the Meg's 205 and the Chemical Guys Polish as being equal.</p><p></p><p>Cleaning the foam pads: Just before I reuse one I would run the pad under hot water continuously working the compound out of the pores the best I could. They do not need to be real clean but i tried to get the majority of the build-up out of the pores. When polishing the car, sometimes the compound on the panel would turn to goo and when this happens I wash the pad.</p><p></p><p>ks</p><p></p><p>The two images below show my results. One shows some minor swirl marks around the door handle while the other image is pretty much swirl free which is about 24" away from the door handle.</p><p>You cannot see these swirl marks in the shade at all and you can only see them in direct sunlight at an exact viewing angle of the sun. In other words you have to be looking for them in order to see them. It actually took me several tries to see them just to photograph them.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]93586[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]93587[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KEVINS, post: 15637895, member: 158789"] I want to say up front that the below process and materials worked on MY car. I'm sure there are others that will criticize, complain, correct, bitch or tell me how I could have done it better or how wrong I did it but I don't want to hear it. I tried several different methods, Pads and a few different polishes and the below gave me a swirl free finish in areas that I would grade a 9.5 out of 10 on my own personal car-show scale. I grew up around show cars and my dad has won Best Paint several times at the World of Wheels car show many years ago so I have an idea what a good paint job looks like. My car has been repainted the factory color black and whoever painted the car did a crappy job of it so I was not trying to "fix" the paint. I only wanted to know how to polish it and not leave ANY swirl marks and I have proven to myself that the below process will do that on MY car. Use at your own discretion. Most of the Materials I used were bought on Amazon. Materials Used: Buffer: Dewalt variable speed, Single Action. I did not use a dual action buffer. 2 different Polishing Pads: (1) 3M Perfect-It 8" Ultrafine Foam Polishing Pad P/N 05733-Blue and (2) 3M Perfect-It 8" Foam Compounding Pad P/N 05737-White 3m Rubbing Compound p/n 36060 Mequiars 205 Mirror Glaze (Optional - Chemical Guys GAP-V38 Optical Grade Final Polish) Microfiber Towel: Chemical Guys MIC35106 Happy Ending Edgeless, Red (16 in. x 16 in.) QTY 6 Minimum. Poorboy's Black Hole Show Glaze Poorboys Blue Nattys Paste Wax CarPro Eraser Intense Oil & Polish Cleanser 500ml. Qty: 2 bottles min. Small LED Pen light Weather Temp: No higher than 85*. I tried polishing when the temps were higher (95*) and could NOT get the finish I wanted....UNLESS I had a fan blowing on the panel to keep it cooler. Painters Tape to tape off edges and trim. ************************************** I polished my car last year so the paint was already smooth and clean so I did not do any wet sanding. 1. Clean the panel real good with one of the above Microfiber towels and the CarPro Eraser to remove any polish or wax. You want to make sure that you're only working the paint and nothing is on top of it. Use ONLY that ONE towel for cleaning. Do NOT use it for later steps below. Designate each towel for a specific job and never mix them up. Getting a minimum of 6 towels is recommended more is better. If you drop one do not use it. Wash the dirty towels in Hot water every night they still remain incredibly soft even after about 20 washes. 2. Use the 3M White foam pad. 3. Place 5 spots (about the size of a nickle) of the 3M Rubbing Compound p/n 36060 in an area about 18"-24" square. Note: The Autobody Supply shop sold me this compound last year and I don't know how it compares to other compounds but since I had a large bottle I decided to use it. I'm using this to simply clean the surface and to get the surface to a constant "texture/finish" and remove water spots and it worked great for me. 4. Initially use the buffer at 600 rpm to evenly distribute the rubbing compound on the 18-24" area that you want to polish. 5. Once the polish is evenly distributed speed the RPM's up to 1700rpm and polish that 18-24" area for 8-10 minutes. DO NOT re-apply more compound! Work those 5 dots of compound for 8-10 minutes. The foam pad will NOT scratch the paint. Just keep polishing. Note: Moving the buffer Side to Side is really slow. I take about 4-6 seconds to move 18-24" maybe faster at times maybe slower at times but I got better results if I kept the movement slower. 6. After the 8-10 minutes is up apply 5 more dots just like above in the same area. Start at 600 RPM to evenly distribute the compound then increase the RPM to 1700 again and work the same area for another 8-10 minutes. Since the radio is on I listen to two or three songs before stopping. 7. Once the two polishing steps are done clean the polished area with a Fresh MF towel and the CarPro Eraser. ONLY use this MF Towel for wiping off this compound. Do NOT mix the towels up. Use another towel for the other compounds and keep them straight. 8. Turn the lights off in the garage and use the LED pen light and check the polishing marks to make sure they are consistent and covers the entire area that was worked. Repeat the process as needed or desired. You'll know if it needs to be done again after seeing what it looks like. Note: This process can take out minor scratches so I used this to my advantage by repeating this process; about 4-5 times on the worst panels or areas before I even looked at it in the dark. 9. Using the designated MF Towel and CarPro Eraser wipe the panel off real good to get ALL the compound off the panel. Turn the lights off in the garage and use the LED pen light to see the compound still left on the panel (There will be some left) and wipe the panel off. Get ALL the compound off before switching pads/compounds. 10. Use the 3M Blue foam pad. 11. Place 5 spots about the size of a dime of the Meguairs 205 in the area you polished above. 12. Initially use the buffer at 600 rpm to evenly distribute the compound on the area that you want to polish. 13. Once the polish is evenly distributed speed the RPM's up to 1200rpm and polish the area for 8-10 minutes. DO NOT apply more compound! Work those 5 dots of compound for 8-10 minutes. The foam pad will NOT scratch the paint. Use the same slow movement as above. 14. After the 8-10 minutes are up Repeat Step 13 one more time but work it 10-15 minutes. The foam pad will NOT scratch the paint. 15. Using a DIFFERENT MF towel and the CarPro Eraser clean the surface and inspect it in the dark with the LED light. If you see swirl marks repeat this polishing process until you are happy with the finish. I have needed to do this process up to 5 times but the finish is great with no swirls in a lot of areas. Some areas where it's difficult to get a pad in still show some minor swirl marks, like the door handle area. See pics below. 16. Once you're happy with what you have use a fresh MF towel and squeeze some Poorboy's Black Hole Show Glaze onto the towel and VERY GENTLY smear the glaze on the paint surface. Try to evenly distribute it onto the surface. Note: The instructions indicate that you can use a machine to apply this compound or to work it into the paint by hand. I tried working it into the paint by hand and ended up with polishing marks all over the panels and had to use the Blue pad and Meg's205 all over the panel to remove them. So my note to you is do not rub it into the surface with much pressure at all. Let this sit for about 10-15 minutes to let it dry. 17. Using another Fresh MF towel LIGHTLY wipe off the glaze. Try not to use any pressure while wiping it off. It can be difficult to wipe off in areas but just keep going over it lightly. I left marks that could be seen with the LED Light when I applied too much pressure. 18. Again, inspect the surface in the dark with the LED light and wipe off remaining glaze. 19. Using another Fresh MF towel LIGHTLY wipe Poorboys Blue Nattys Paste Wax over the paint surface of the vehicle and let dry for about 10-15 minutes. 20. Using another Fresh MF towel LIGHTLY wipe off the wax. Again No Pressure. 21. Again, inspect the surface in the dark with the LED light and wipe off remaining wax. Notes: Always use the CarPro Eraser before inspecting the panels. The polishes will leave a film on the surface that can hide polishing marks so make sure the surface is clean. In place of the Meguiars 205 I read that Chemical Guys GAP-V38 Optical Grade Final Polish produces a better finish and is easier to use. Initially I used this after the Meg's 205 and initially thought it was leaving a better finish. However, I concluded that what gave it the better finish was simply polishing the surface again not the actual polish. Until I prove to myself otherwise I would grade the Meg's 205 and the Chemical Guys Polish as being equal. Cleaning the foam pads: Just before I reuse one I would run the pad under hot water continuously working the compound out of the pores the best I could. They do not need to be real clean but i tried to get the majority of the build-up out of the pores. When polishing the car, sometimes the compound on the panel would turn to goo and when this happens I wash the pad. ks The two images below show my results. One shows some minor swirl marks around the door handle while the other image is pretty much swirl free which is about 24" away from the door handle. You cannot see these swirl marks in the shade at all and you can only see them in direct sunlight at an exact viewing angle of the sun. In other words you have to be looking for them in order to see them. It actually took me several tries to see them just to photograph them. [ATTACH=full]93586[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]93587[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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