The R is VERY limited. The only people getting that car at MSRP are the heavy hitters like Leno. 99% of people will be paying heavy mark up on it. $20-30k mark up is common practice on those cars. Unfortunately.
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The R is VERY limited. The only people getting that car at MSRP are the heavy hitters like Leno. 99% of people will be paying heavy mark up on it. $20-30k mark up is common practice on those cars. Unfortunately.
I wouldn't pay ADM on anything because I have common sense and I'm not financially retarded. Most cars are a poor investment to start with, and throw ADM on top and you're...what...about $20k upside down within the first two years of ownership? That's full retard right there. Not to mention a lot of those cars will sell for MSRP or less after they've been in production a couple years. Blows my mind what stupid decisions some people will make to be the first kid on the block with a certain car for about....six months.
ADM is based on demand, so just like with the death of the manual transmission, I blame the consumers. If you people would stop paying ADM (not pointing at anyone. Totally generalizing), it would stop happening. Just like if you'd stop buying womens' transmissions and demand a better manual, companies would start putting the proper R&D into manuals and give us some good options. It's all based on demand...
I wouldn't buy this car, but I am only hating on it because I don't love the looks and the ADM is laughable. As far as performance, if you could actually get it for MSRP, it's not a bad little performance car at all.
It's ugly as **** though.
If the new GT500 blows my socks off I'll post up my msrp invoice haha.
The GT500 will still not be as special. The alure to the R is the limited run production. Thats why the mark up is so high. Had Ford mass produced them like GTs, they would have sold like hotcakes and there would have been no mark ups.
Nope, hating on it because it's just plain ugly and it doesn't offer the performance to justify the cost.
Car and Driver said it perfectly in their review, take a look at the low points:
Lows:
Could stand to have a more thrilling exhaust note; it looks like a 2017 Honda Civic Type R.
Nope, just like above it's just not worth the asking price. There are other options out there for the same price that perform better without offensive looks, and the other options are a much better platform to build-on.
Let's allow the numbers do the talking. I wish I could find instrumented tests of the Type R, but haven't had any luck. I'm willing to bet the cars listed below can keep up with the Honda in the corners and on the brakes. Below are the only numbers I could find for the Honda (without much effort), so straight line performance it is. I know that's not the point of the car, but all of these cars are pretty capable on a track. I don't think the Honda has an advantage in cornering or braking--especially not a big enough advantage to overcome the power differences of the Camaro or Mustang.
Civic Type R ($35k):
PERFORMANCE (C/D EST):
Zero to 60 mph: 5.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.6 sec
2016 Mustang GT ($33k new):
C/D TEST
RESULTS
ACCELERATION
0–30 MPH 1.7 sec
0–60 MPH 4.4 sec
0–100 MPH 10.5 sec
¼-MILE @ MPH 13.0 sec @ 112
2016 Camaro SS ($38k new)
C/D TEST
RESULTS
ACCELERATION
0–30 MPH 1.6 sec
0–60 MPH 3.9 sec
0–100 MPH 8.9 sec
¼-MILE @ MPH 12.3 sec @ 116
2015 VW Golf R ($37k new)
0-60 MPH 4.5 sec
QUARTER MILE 13.1 sec @ 104.9 mph
2016 Ford Focus RS ($38k)
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 102 mph
As much as I am repulsed by that abortion looking car.... I do have to say that performance is actually quite great. Its purpose is handling and not 1/4.
I believe it currently holds the record for fastest FWD vehicle around the track (if you dont mind riding around on something that has the same visual appeal as a used up menstrual pad).
Ughh... just threw up a little bit in my mouth... "Defending" that thing.....
Rumor has it there will be other type R variants and possibly and AWD version. I just hope they fix the ugly on future models too.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/mooted-honda-civic-type-r-variants-may-include-awd-version/
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/mooted-honda-civic-type-r-variants-may-include-awd-version/
I missed the days of the old 99-00 civic si. With their smooth/minimalistic approach to looks.
I get it if FWD is your thing. But if you're going for performance, why start from such a big disadvantage? That's the part I could never wrap my head around in the Honda world (yes, I'm using Honda to generalize everyone that is a devout FWD warrior). Straight line or turning, that's asking a lot from the front tires.
I digress...I (and others) am not hating on it because it's a Honda. I'm hating on it because it's atrocious and there are better options out there for the money. It's a shame that Honda has such a great presence in racing, but cannot bring it to the streets in a practical manner. They can pull it off on two wheels, but why not on four?
Before the NSX comments start pouring in, I'm aware it exists. They had a good thing going with the S2000. I just wish there was more competition out there for the Mustang/Camaro, you know, the cars us common folk can afford.
FWD can be very, very fast. But it takes a car set up so far on edge that the lawyers of these big companies would never let it out of the factory.
That little red civic comes to mind. That car is on edge and the driver is insane lol.
That little red civic comes to mind. That car is on edge and the driver is insane lol.
Hopefully I'll see one on the street while I'm in my RS.
I was just watching a civic make a mockery out of 3x 997.1 gt3RS, superformance daytona coupe and a 16 ACR at my local track lol... not saying it would be close with equal drivers but still fwd can be capable. Also on a tight track my focus ST is far superior than the old gts viper.
On the last track day, well HPDE day, there was a nissan sentra making a fool out of the majority of the intermediate class. And the sentra did not look to be prepped! I never caught the story behind the car, but I suspect it was some sort of bet between friends.
Look, I'm not saying FWD is not capable. And I know anything can be made fast. I'll just leave it as this: it's not for me.
I agree, I enjoy seeing the lowly junk piles beat up on 300k cars though
I have a 90% stock black 00 Si with a clean title if you're interested
If only I was in the market... any pics?
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