That does not suck! I guessed they would surpass the LT-5, even if it was only one horsepower, just for bragging rights. Spin that beast to 17# on a good street tune and it will be fun.
That's a big number on 12lbs.
Im down, and I agree, all that matters is when 2 owners meetup and do what is expected.
but their in lies my issue with what your saying. Im saying leave the shitty magazine reviews out of it, let real owners do the work. for roadcourse, sure, a pro driver, preferably the same, ill take that, but as for 1/4 mile or mexico highway runs, it needs to be 2 people that want to win
AAAHHHMMM, no. Car mags offer consistency. They test the cars factory stock with factory offered equipment and with the best conditions available at the time the tests are conducted.
1/4 mile and Mexico runs between 2 owners of each of these cars are cool also, but I understand that you are getting a 500 correct? That means I would need to pick up a ZR1 to make it fair under this wager that we are considering doing. I'm not relying on someone I don't know race you in a ZR1, I would rather take on this task myself if I have a ZR1 (TBH at this moment I am trying to see about acquiring one if it is possible up where I live).
So this wager if we are going through with it will be comparing performance #'s between a 2019 ZR1 vs. 2020 GT500. I want to use performance results from Car & Driver since I feel they do the best testing of all cars they test (vs. the other mags) so when they get a GT500 to test we'll see what #'s they will get.
You have stated that you think the GT500 will be better on the road course than the ZR1 so I am actually looking forward to C&D doing a Lightning Lap @ VIR with the Shelby and comparing it to the ZR1 time there.
I'll PM you tomorrow, we'll set the wager and what we will be comparing AFA those performance #'s.
Tony
If Ford provides the GT500 in Michigan to the press for reviews, C&D will conduct the testing @ Chrysler's Chelsea Proving Grounds they don't test on regular local roads. Even if they get the car elsewhere they rent a local track and dragstrip to conduct the tests. Check this:
How Does C/D Test Cars?
We'll chat later...…………….. I'll PM later today.
I am pretty sure that time is with the manual full aero car. The gt500 has zero chance against a Zr1 in an all things equal comparison. The standard wing A8 will pull away easily in a straight line and the full aero car will be seconds ahead of the 500 on a roadcourse. The GT500 will be around 1 second avg faster than a Zl1 1LE.We're talking factory stock here for BOTH cars, running the tires the cars come with STOCK from the factory.
Cars rarely stay STOCK in owner hands, because they have a personal vested interest in winning something will be done to them before they meet up and passing it to the other party as "stock".
Your estimated 10.50 @ 135 for the Shelby may be possible, at MIR if the stars align and on a tire (with no other changes)...………..no way in hell it's running that off the showroom floor.
FYI, C&D has listed 10.80@135mph for the ZR1 and that's on the proving ground regular roads that LostM doesn't prefer. I have a hard time believing the 500 will run that from the factory but we shall see.
We're talking factory stock here for BOTH cars, running the tires the cars come with STOCK from the factory.
Cars rarely stay STOCK in owner hands, because they have a personal vested interest in winning something will be done to them before they meet up and passing it to the other party as "stock".
Your estimated 10.50 @ 135 for the Shelby may be possible, at MIR if the stars align and on a tire (with no other changes)...………..no way in hell it's running that off the showroom floor.
FYI, C&D has listed 10.80@135mph for the ZR1 and that's on the proving ground regular roads that LostM doesn't prefer. I have a hard time believing the 500 will run that from the factory but we shall see.
The lightning is trash for comparing best possible lap times. You have different amateur drivers who can’t lay down consistent same day lap times with the same car, driving cars with limited seat time on different days with different track conditions, all while comparing similar cars with different drivers of different skills then trying to do this over a number of years with varying track conditions and different asphalt! It was so bad that ford who does not produce timed videos did just that as the 11 GT500 was misrepresented so bad!AAAHHHMMM, no. Car mags offer consistency. They test the cars factory stock with factory offered equipment and with the best conditions available at the time the tests are conducted.
1/4 mile and Mexico runs between 2 owners of each of these cars are cool also, but I understand that you are getting a 500 correct? That means I would need to pick up a ZR1 to make it fair under this wager that we are considering doing. I'm not relying on someone I don't know race you in a ZR1, I would rather take on this task myself if I have a ZR1 (TBH at this moment I am trying to see about acquiring one if it is possible up where I live).
So this wager if we are going through with it will be comparing performance #'s between a 2019 ZR1 vs. 2020 GT500. I want to use performance results from Car & Driver since I feel they do the best testing of all cars they test (vs. the other mags) so when they get a GT500 to test we'll see what #'s they will get.
You have stated that you think the GT500 will be better on the road course than the ZR1 so I am actually looking forward to C&D doing a Lightning Lap @ VIR with the Shelby and comparing it to the ZR1 time there.
I'll PM you tomorrow, we'll set the wager and what we will be comparing AFA those performance #'s.
Tony
Ahhhh the real world on a road course.The lightning is trash for comparing best possible lap times. You have different amateur drivers who can’t lay down consistent same day lap times with the same car, driving cars with limited seat time on different days with different track conditions, all while comparing similar cars with different drivers of different skills then trying to do this over a number of years with varying track conditions and different asphalt! It was so bad that ford who does not produce timed videos did just that as the 11 GT500 was misrepresented so bad!
That’s how you get times like the ones below:
15 Mustang GT 1.52
16 991 GT3 1.57
16 c7z06 1.56
Now do you really believe the accuracy of the above times?
Indications of a 1.24.3 track time at big willow give the 20 500 big cred. This is faster than Pobst’s C6Z06 and 600LT time there but not as fast as his time in the ZR1.
Willow Springs lap times - FastestLaps.com
Any lap time comparisons that arent same day same driver are entirely 100% useless. I see people putting down 20 entire retarded second differences in the same car on the same day, no joke, while that is one extreme to another it still applies to different more experienced drivers as well. Hence LL being a waste of time. Same with 1/4 mile runs on dusty air stripsSince when does a 15 Mustang GT do 1:52 on the full VIR course? C&D only does Lightning laps on that track please tell me those times you posted above are for a different track.
The drivers are representative of the everyday person that has some track experience and what they would get on that particular track if they ran these cars. Are they perfect drivers? No, are you???
I've never said lap times of the cars at VIR that C&D does on their LL articles are gospel, it's a good comparison of what a car can do on that track and the capability when you flog them.
Maybe if they put Jim Mero in the ZR1 at VIR he would get a better lap time than the 2:39.5 the person from C&D got. The results are the results, I mean if they repaved VIR before they ran the new GT500 and it matched the ZR1 time then the Shelby is capable of lapping the track quicker with a better driver. It's only a gauge people. When I'm interested in buying that type of car I want to see the performance #'s before laying down my money, the #'s I see tell me if the car performs they way it should with the specs it has from the manufacturer, that's it.
So LostM, if you didn't have a problem with what C&D will do with the new GT500 @ VIR when they Lightning lap it you shouldn't have a problem with them testing the car through all the acceleration times...……….again it's a gauge. They got 10.8 @ 135 with the ZR1 and generally on the same pavement they will get what they get with the 500, if it has the cajones and can put down the power it should run a decent et in their hands, then you get yours on the dragstrip and you may or may not get a better time but at least you know generally what the car can do before you fork out your cash for one.
I'll stand by my statement, (AFA the cars are concerned not counting the driver equation), a 2020 GT500 off the showroom floor WILL NOT touch a bone stock ZR1 on any track, anybody that thinks otherwise is nuts.
Tony
It was full course Sears Point for all three cars/times.Here's Pobst's ZR1 lap of Big Willow. If they gave him more seat time I'm sure he could drop that time down a bit more than what he ran. There are several corners where he hanged the tail out and us road course guys know that doesn't give you the best lap times (looks good though).
I want to see him run the GT500 there when they can test one, give him the same # of laps that he got to flog the ZR1 and we will see if the Shelby is faster.
That’s what they do and that’s why Randy’s times even though they are different days are much more relevant!Here's Pobst's ZR1 lap of Big Willow. If they gave him more seat time I'm sure he could drop that time down a bit more than what he ran. There are several corners where he hanged the tail out and us road course guys know that doesn't give you the best lap times (looks good though).
I want to see him run the GT500 there when they can test one, give him the same # of laps that he got to flog the ZR1 and we will see if the Shelby is faster.