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<blockquote data-quote="TORQJNKY" data-source="post: 11916920" data-attributes="member: 65567"><p>I'm sure both of you are <strong>RIGHT</strong> about everything you say (because you think you are) and there is no changing that.</p><p></p><p><u>Captain Insano</u>: The ZL1 did go to the 1/4 as well, but it also posted road couse times. Like the ZR1 and Z06 it's an all around car, it does both performance benchmarks well for it's automotive class. All the hype surrounding the GT500 has only been backed up in 1/4 mile times, nothing else. Ok, I'll admit, the ZL1 may not be "Purpose" built for the road course, but it is definitely set up for it more than it is the 1/4 mile (just like the ZR1 and Z06) and that appears to be GM's intent with the various suspension and handling upgrades.</p><p></p><p><u>Ry_Trapp0</u>; Your quality assurance program is missing OQE. </p><p></p><p>1. Comment. The 07 GTR (7:38) was not modified, it was stock and the (7:29) time was improved on a year later by a 2009 GTR in better weather conditions. The cars were unchanged between 2007-2009 and no roll cage was used the 2nd time. So sure, you could improve 8 seconds on a 13 mile course and here's why, <strong>track conditions</strong> not a roll cage: </p><p></p><p>Press Release: <a href="http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/01/gt-r-drops-ring-time-down-to-7-29/" target="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/01/gt-r-drops-ring-time-down-to-7-29/</a></p><p></p><p>2. Viper ACR comment is recended as pointed out by Redzone, my mistake. Both Viper versions are impressive. Both the ACR and ACR-X are specifically modified and tuned for track performance. Although the ZR1 and Z06's are built for the track duty, they are very comfortable daily drivers. If you've ever driven a Viper or ZR1, the difference is uncomparable. There's something to be said for running a 7:19 and riding like a Cadillac, not a go-kart. </p><p></p><p>3. You're Wrong. The ZR1 did not have a roll cage nor did it have chassis modifications, it had Sparco racing seats, a seat belt harness bar (not a full cage), and a fire bottle—and data equipment. </p><p></p><p>Read: <a href="http://www.vetteweb.com/lifestyle/vemp_1111_chevrolet_corvette_zr1_nurburgring/viewall.html" target="_blank">http://www.vetteweb.com/lifestyle/vemp_1111_chevrolet_corvette_zr1_nurburgring/viewall.html</a>. A harness bar provides minimal if any chassis stiffness.</p><p></p><p>4. Comment. I agree with you that using Ring times to compare cars can have its problems because of different drivers, test condition, test methods (# of laps), and just the <strong>length of the track</strong>. 13 mile track and 73 turns is key. Different driver, one slower turn, not quite as fast on a straight etc... and times can change drastically. A shorter track like VIR or any number of other US road course tracks may be a better comparison.</p><p></p><p>This report on the Viper ACR record run supports the <strong>track condition </strong>varialbes that can effect time: </p><p></p><p>"Hot-lap testing was spread over two days. On Sept. 12, the track was completely wet at the beginning of the four-hour session. By the final hour, the track was mostly dry but peak performance was limited due to a few remaining damp areas at the Bergwerk corner and ****sröhre and Wippermann areas. The best lap of the day was a 7:15.6 at the end of the session. By Sept. 14, a clear weather pattern allowed the track to dry and gave the team good conditions for the Viper ACR’s final lap of 7:12.13."</p><p></p><p>Bottom line: No average driver, on any day, on any course, can produce times like these, so arguing about them is pointless, but I do think all performance cars should be tested and timed at all aspects of performance they are built for. If the benchmark is the Ring and the quarter mile, then so be it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TORQJNKY, post: 11916920, member: 65567"] I'm sure both of you are [B]RIGHT[/B] about everything you say (because you think you are) and there is no changing that. [U]Captain Insano[/U]: The ZL1 did go to the 1/4 as well, but it also posted road couse times. Like the ZR1 and Z06 it's an all around car, it does both performance benchmarks well for it's automotive class. All the hype surrounding the GT500 has only been backed up in 1/4 mile times, nothing else. Ok, I'll admit, the ZL1 may not be "Purpose" built for the road course, but it is definitely set up for it more than it is the 1/4 mile (just like the ZR1 and Z06) and that appears to be GM's intent with the various suspension and handling upgrades. [U]Ry_Trapp0[/U]; Your quality assurance program is missing OQE. 1. Comment. The 07 GTR (7:38) was not modified, it was stock and the (7:29) time was improved on a year later by a 2009 GTR in better weather conditions. The cars were unchanged between 2007-2009 and no roll cage was used the 2nd time. So sure, you could improve 8 seconds on a 13 mile course and here's why, [B]track conditions[/B] not a roll cage: Press Release: [url]http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/01/gt-r-drops-ring-time-down-to-7-29/[/url] 2. Viper ACR comment is recended as pointed out by Redzone, my mistake. Both Viper versions are impressive. Both the ACR and ACR-X are specifically modified and tuned for track performance. Although the ZR1 and Z06's are built for the track duty, they are very comfortable daily drivers. If you've ever driven a Viper or ZR1, the difference is uncomparable. There's something to be said for running a 7:19 and riding like a Cadillac, not a go-kart. 3. You're Wrong. The ZR1 did not have a roll cage nor did it have chassis modifications, it had Sparco racing seats, a seat belt harness bar (not a full cage), and a fire bottle—and data equipment. Read: [url]http://www.vetteweb.com/lifestyle/vemp_1111_chevrolet_corvette_zr1_nurburgring/viewall.html[/url]. A harness bar provides minimal if any chassis stiffness. 4. Comment. I agree with you that using Ring times to compare cars can have its problems because of different drivers, test condition, test methods (# of laps), and just the [B]length of the track[/B]. 13 mile track and 73 turns is key. Different driver, one slower turn, not quite as fast on a straight etc... and times can change drastically. A shorter track like VIR or any number of other US road course tracks may be a better comparison. This report on the Viper ACR record run supports the [B]track condition [/B]varialbes that can effect time: "Hot-lap testing was spread over two days. On Sept. 12, the track was completely wet at the beginning of the four-hour session. By the final hour, the track was mostly dry but peak performance was limited due to a few remaining damp areas at the Bergwerk corner and ****sröhre and Wippermann areas. The best lap of the day was a 7:15.6 at the end of the session. By Sept. 14, a clear weather pattern allowed the track to dry and gave the team good conditions for the Viper ACR’s final lap of 7:12.13." Bottom line: No average driver, on any day, on any course, can produce times like these, so arguing about them is pointless, but I do think all performance cars should be tested and timed at all aspects of performance they are built for. If the benchmark is the Ring and the quarter mile, then so be it. [/QUOTE]
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