Question about using flashers and driving fast

[mf150]

If you are suffering from "TRUE" Anaphylaxis (usually those people know that and carry EPI) and try to drive yourself, well good bye because you will be dead. Loss of consciousness will come long before you arrive, you will crash and die and probably kill someone who shouldn't have been killed. That is for true Anaphylaxis. An allergic reaction is not an immediate threat to life.

Or, call for help and Epinepherine can be administered rapidly on scene, stopping the effects of Anaphylaxis. These patients arrive at the ER sitting up and talking, no longer is thier life threatened.

There is no "FALSE" anaphylaxis. What if you or your family member forgot their anakit after thinking that they packed it? We are all human, and we all forget.

anaphalaxis is induced by an hyper-allergic (histamines are released rapidly)reation to a substance. anaphylaxis can also come back after an initial dose of epinephrine, so another dose should be ready. Also you need to clear up all the other loose histomines with a anti-histamine. Sometimes a cortico-steriod is used to reduce swelling. If all else fails, and trach may be needed.

anaphylactic shock is a life threatening allergic reaction.

 

[strtrcr50]

In my case, I got a call from the Baltimore Shock Trauma unit that my brother was about to die from a blood clot on the brain. I was in NJ. I got there as fast as I could. I wasn't really concerned about a speeding ticket tho. I would have dealt with that another day. Thinking back, I'm sure all the officers on here have to deal with so many excuses that they are not in the mood to deal with another story. I would have just taken the ticket and got back to business. If your priority is to get to the hospital fast, I don't think you should question a cop pulling you over for speeding. Tell the truth, and get the ticket. Maybe go to court and see if the judge feels you were a special occasion. He can verify your story.

PS. They did emergency brain surgery and removed what they told us was a hardball sized blood clot. Only after effect is some problems with short term memory. And a scar. Thank you Baltimore Shock Trauma Unit-The best in the world.

 

[M Davis]

Is this any diffrent than when someone goes way over the speed limit to catch a speeder?

There's a big difference between a cop car, with all it's fancy gadgets and warning system to get the attention of the public, and someone's pov that has......well, nothing.

Sorry Dan, of course I didn't read your post until after I posted.

 

[OrgasmicSVT]

There's a big difference between a cop car, with all it's fancy gadgets and warning system to get the attention of the public, and someone's pov that has......well, nothing.

Sorry Dan, of course I didn't read your post until after I posted.

I read post in here that say that people don't pay attention to those fancy gadgets.

 

[FordSVTFan]

Despite the "training" that police officers get to drive at high rates of speed, there is no way of controlling all the variables that make such a persuit dangerous.

My brother is a Sgt. (in a California police dept), and I got a better track time than he did.

Still doesn't answer my query, which is:

What is it is a life or death situation? If my lady is in need of immediate attention and I can get her there, there is no way that I am stopping until I get to i.e. the hospital. The police can arrest me once she is there. In this situation what does the law suggest? I know that we have certain constitutional rights that insure our survival.

As far as the constitutional right to survival, I dont understand what you are getting at? Maybe you can enlighten me as to what you are referring.

I suggest if you feel your "lady" needs to get to the hospital immediately and waiting for a trained ambulance crew to get there is too long, then you should by all means take her there. If you get issued a ticket for breaking the law, it is only an allegation, it is not the end all say all. You can take it before a judge and he will determine if your actions warrant the summons.

Good Luck

 

[czwalga00gt]

If there is an emergency great enough for you to be flying to the hospital, the ticket or a cop pulling you over shouldnt even cross your mind. IMO thats when the reason is "justifiable".


Anyways, about the original flasher comment: Hahaha, if you could just throw the flashers on and speed, I would leave my flashers on permanently :banana:.

 

[numbaonestunna]

I had a situation where I was transporting a diabetic girl to the supermarket... she had really low blood sugar and was passing out, and needed a candybar (?). It was really weird, but I got pulled over for running a red light (I stopped completely at the red light, but treated it as a stop sign against through traffic) The LEO asked me why I went through the red light, asked if there was a medical emergency. He assessed the situation, determined that I wasn't lying, and actually drove with me to the supermarket. He was really cool. So yeah, I guess it probably would be a case by case basis. <shrug>

 

[greystorm]

Well, I am not a law officer, but I think the point here is that you should not speed no matter what the situation. I think it is OK to drive someone to the hospital with your flashers on (people will kindly move over) and obey the speed limit.

I agree that speeding really doesn't get you from point A to point B much faster. I drive 30 minutes to work everyday. People will pass me like a bat out of hell, but I always catch them at the next light.

As far as allergic reactions, I am allergic to bee stings. Most of the time (if I have been bitten by one bee) Benadryl will tide me over until I get to the hospital or doctor, but an EPI pen is the best in these situations (I realize everyone's allergies are different).

If someone is bleeding uncontrollably, unconscious, having a baby, or any other major medical emergency you are better off calling 911 and having an ambulance come to your home. Most of the time while you are waiting for the ambulance to arrive the 911 dispatcher can help you through a situation better than you can help the person in your speeding car. Stay safe :thumbsup:

 

[pwnt04]

ok, i get what you're saying... about the lady giving birth... but what about if someone is 5 minutes away from dieing, and they're 2 minutes away from the hospital, but the ambulance would take to long to get there and load the patient up and send them to the hospital... would you just be an escort, or what... I'm sorry if this is getting annoying... but i'm just currious. let me know if you want me to stop asking.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

 

[pwnt04]

BTW - A better track time than your brother?

Try a high-speed pursuit sometime with cross traffic, pedestrians, rough roads, radio traffic and all the other variables your brother's training was designed to provide for him.

We are not trained to be the fastest, we are trained to survive the pursuit and hopefully avoid all of the pitfalls that inherently surround them. Unfortunately they are a necessary evil, but to think your track times can be compared to a life/death pursuit is a bit unrealistic.

+1

My brother is a Sgt. (in a California police dept), and I got a better track time than he did.

The Police are trained to pursue criminals on crowded roads with an abundance of hazardous varibles, not race weekends at their local SCCA club. :rollseyes

 

[Traveler]

I'll tell you one reason why someone would drive to a hospital with a loved one at a slightly increased, but prudent speed. There can be so many variables but consider there are times that family members can be taken ill rather quickly in an area where the response time for rescue can be slower. Another critical issue is MONEY. Rides to the hospital on the stretcher with the pretty red lights are not free. Someone without insurance will likely pay up to $400 for transport. While some can be in pain, it may not warrant life support nor can some afford the costs. Someone in dire need of an ambulance will not think of or consider the costs...or at least they shouldn't.

However, I guess in the minds of a concerned driver, getting to the hospital with a loved one in pain takes precedence over observing the speed limit. It may not be right or legal, but often times in reality, the risks are judged to be worth taking in an effort to obtain care as quickly as possible without the need for EMS. Certainly, no citizen can expect a law officer to say its okay, because everyone here knows its still against the law and it is there job to enforce it. You do it if you feel its necessary...you pray you don't get caught...and its everyone's hope you have enough sense of being to drive responsibly if ever put in such a position. While I personally could never advocate someone travelling 100 mph in such a situation, I could not find fault for their reasoning if they showed themselves to be in control of their vehicle at a more prudent speed while observing the safety of those that may be around them.

 

[Venix]

No... are you crazy?? 100mph with a lady giving birth or someone with internal bleeding?? Holy crap, you would kill them both... I've never seen an ambulance exceed 70mph, and that's on an interstate. If I stopped you under those conditions, I would call an ambulance for the person, and then write you a ticket... that's just insane....

100mph is insane? Thats crusing speed in dallas. Our freeways normally travel at 15-20 over the limit for the slower drivers(excluding a blue hair going 45 which should be taken off the road).

 

[Lawman85]

100mph is insane? Thats crusing speed in dallas. Our freeways normally travel at 15-20 over the limit for the slower drivers(excluding a blue hair going 45 which should be taken off the road).

Wish I was an LEO there..... tickets galore....

And I highly doubt that 100mph is the "cruising speed" in dallas..

 

[Venix]

Wish I was an LEO there..... tickets galore....

And I highly doubt that 100mph is the "cruising speed" in dallas..

one of our fastest freeways has the lowest speed limit. The limit is 55, and you wont get pulled over until about 85. Traffic moves at about 80.

 

[firemedic]

Ingested allergens can take seconds to hours to induce anaphylatic shock. The faster you get to an ana-kit or epinephrine and chlorophenaramine, the better chance of survival. I don't want a police officer to be responsible for my loved one dying. True, they can call an ambulance, but after getting through all the BS about license, registration, insurance and why I was speeding, the person may be dead.

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If you don't want a LEO to shoulder that responsability, don't put them in that situation.

 

[firemedic]

There is no "FALSE" anaphylaxis. What if you or your family member forgot their anakit after thinking that they packed it? We are all human, and we all forget.

anaphalaxis is induced by an hyper-allergic (histamines are released rapidly)reation to a substance. anaphylaxis can also come back after an initial dose of epinephrine, so another dose should be ready. Also you need to clear up all the other loose histomines with a anti-histamine. Sometimes a cortico-steriod is used to reduce swelling. If all else fails, and trach may be needed.

anaphylactic shock is a life threatening allergic reaction.

You are correct there are no "FALSE" anaphylaxis, but I am sure in your years of street service you have seen the large amount of anaphylaxis calls that turn out to be a simple allergic reaction. My point there is what many people believe is a life and death emergency simply is not.

That would typically be the time that some one drives like crazy, thinking they must rush this person to medical help, only to end up in a more serious situation and all for what?????

Oh, and thanks for the pathophysiology. Never heard any of that before.

Speaking of a tracheostomy- How will that be accomplished while you scream down the road? Yea lets just watch the person change nice shades of color in your back seat, gee if only we could have tubed them several minutes earlier!

 

[charged98cobra]

If your asking what we suggest, it would be to pull over if the officer gets behind you. If you run from us, then the odds are, we will wreck you or stop stick you, then you will never get to the hospital. I would advise to stop, explain your situation, and let the officer make the decision. The correct decision for him would be to call an ambulance and then provide whatevery medical attention he can (a friend of mine stopped a car and ended up delivering a baby on the side of the interstate).

oh so yall wreck people....hmm

 

[Lawman85]

oh so yall wreck people....hmm

Yes, we do. We use the P.I.T. manuever.

 

[charged98cobra]

Yes, we do. We use the P.I.T. manuever.

Aren't you scared that you will kill the offender or some other innocent bystanders?

 

[Mr.Shortround]

Aren't you scared that you will kill the offender or some other innocent bystanders?

The P.I.T. manuever is used when the civilian threat is minimal. IE you are on a highway and aren't in the middle of heavy traffic. The risks of letting the offender go is far more hazardous than stopping the offender. You don't agree that the person running has less of a right to safety than the innocent bystanders?