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SVT’s Jamal Hameedi Weighs-In With His Opinion of The 2013 GT500 @ The Nürburgring
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<blockquote data-quote="kcbrown" data-source="post: 13730506" data-attributes="member: 153731"><p>Under braked, huh? With 6-piston Brembo calipers on 15 inch rotors? I don't think so.</p><p></p><p>I do think that it's likely that Ford used pads that don't have a high enough temperature range for the weight and speed of the car, and that a simple change of pads would pretty much take care of the problem.</p><p></p><p>The stock fluid is also a weak point, and anyone who was serious about putting these cars on the track would certainly change that to something more suitable before the first track session.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The rest of what you say is nonsense. "Sucks" at handling is not a characteristic of a car that's capable of going around Laguna Seca in less than 1:40. And when it and the ZL1 are going around the track within a couple of seconds of each other per lap, it should be clear that both cars are very comparable in terms of track capability.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You know what the most amusing thing about all this is? That anyone here might actually care about these tiny differences. Because the bottom line is that if you're serious about taking one of these cars onto the track, the first thing you're going to do after you figure out what handling characteristics you want out of them is to modify them to suit your tastes. You'll replace the wheels and tires so as to stuff as much rubber under the chassis as you can. You'll replace the springs and shocks with coilovers because you'll want to lower the car and adjust the compression and rebound settings, not to mention that you'll find that the stock spring rates are just too soft for real performance on the track. You'll get adjustable sway bars so you can dial in exactly how much understeer/oversteer you want. And on and on...</p><p></p><p>And after you've done all that, how much of a real difference will the stock lap times make? Not one bit, that's how much. Of course, your car won't ride worth beans on the streets, but going fast around the track is all you really care about, right?</p><p></p><p>But then, if you're <em>truly</em> serious about going fast around a race track, then you won't bother with any of these silly race car wannabes, and instead get yourself a real race car:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_Mazda" target="_blank"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Formula_mazda_new.jpg/800px-Formula_mazda_new.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p></p><p>which <a href="http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Mazda_Laguna_Seca#Typical_Lap_Times" target="_blank">does 1:25 around Laguna Seca</a>, not some pansy 1:39. And in any case, that's where the <em>real</em> competition is, so that's where you should be if you can drive as good as you talk.</p><p></p><p></p><p>:-D</p><p></p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, the rest of us who aren't driving gods will buy cars because they look good, are fun to drive, are affordable, and don't knock our teeth out when they encounter a wayward bump in the street, and take them out on a racetrack because it's <em>fun</em>, regardless of whether or not it beats the competitor's car by a second per lap, and it won't matter whether it has a blue bow tie badge or a blue oval badge on it as long as we like it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kcbrown, post: 13730506, member: 153731"] Under braked, huh? With 6-piston Brembo calipers on 15 inch rotors? I don't think so. I do think that it's likely that Ford used pads that don't have a high enough temperature range for the weight and speed of the car, and that a simple change of pads would pretty much take care of the problem. The stock fluid is also a weak point, and anyone who was serious about putting these cars on the track would certainly change that to something more suitable before the first track session. The rest of what you say is nonsense. "Sucks" at handling is not a characteristic of a car that's capable of going around Laguna Seca in less than 1:40. And when it and the ZL1 are going around the track within a couple of seconds of each other per lap, it should be clear that both cars are very comparable in terms of track capability. You know what the most amusing thing about all this is? That anyone here might actually care about these tiny differences. Because the bottom line is that if you're serious about taking one of these cars onto the track, the first thing you're going to do after you figure out what handling characteristics you want out of them is to modify them to suit your tastes. You'll replace the wheels and tires so as to stuff as much rubber under the chassis as you can. You'll replace the springs and shocks with coilovers because you'll want to lower the car and adjust the compression and rebound settings, not to mention that you'll find that the stock spring rates are just too soft for real performance on the track. You'll get adjustable sway bars so you can dial in exactly how much understeer/oversteer you want. And on and on... And after you've done all that, how much of a real difference will the stock lap times make? Not one bit, that's how much. Of course, your car won't ride worth beans on the streets, but going fast around the track is all you really care about, right? But then, if you're [I]truly[/I] serious about going fast around a race track, then you won't bother with any of these silly race car wannabes, and instead get yourself a real race car: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_Mazda"][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Formula_mazda_new.jpg/800px-Formula_mazda_new.jpg[/IMG][/URL] which [URL="http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Mazda_Laguna_Seca#Typical_Lap_Times"]does 1:25 around Laguna Seca[/URL], not some pansy 1:39. And in any case, that's where the [I]real[/I] competition is, so that's where you should be if you can drive as good as you talk. :-D Meanwhile, the rest of us who aren't driving gods will buy cars because they look good, are fun to drive, are affordable, and don't knock our teeth out when they encounter a wayward bump in the street, and take them out on a racetrack because it's [i]fun[/i], regardless of whether or not it beats the competitor's car by a second per lap, and it won't matter whether it has a blue bow tie badge or a blue oval badge on it as long as we like it. [/QUOTE]
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