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Warrantless cell phone search gets a green light in California

The contents of your cell phone can reveal a lot more about you than the naked eye can: who your friends are, what you've been saying and when, which websites you've visited, and more. There has long been debate over user privacy when it comes to various data found on a cell phone, but according to the California Supreme Court, police don't need a warrant to start digging through your phone's contents.

The ruling comes as a result of the conviction of one Gregory Diaz, who was arrested for trying to sell ecstasy to a police informant in 2007 and had his phone confiscated when he arrived at the police station. The police eventually went through Diaz's text message folder and found one that read "6 4 80." Such a message means nothing to most of us, but it was apparently enough to be used as evidence against Diaz (for those curious, it means six pills will cost $80).

Diaz had argued that the warrantless search of his phone violated his Fourth Amendment rights, but the trial court said that anything found on his person at the time of arrest was "really fair game in terms of being evidence of a crime."

In its review of the case, the Supreme Court held that the Fourth Amendment didn't apply to the text messages on Diaz's cell phone at the time of arrest. The court cited a number of previous cases wherein defendants were arrested with all manner of incriminating objects—heroin tablets hidden in a cigarette case, paint chips hidden in clothing, marijuana in the trunk of a car—which did not require a warrant to obtain. The court said that the phone was "immediately associated" with Diaz's person, and therefore the warrantless search was valid.

The decision was not unanimous, though. "The potential intrusion on informational privacy involved in a police search of a person‟s mobile phone, smartphone or handheld computer is unique among searches of an arrestee's person and effects," Justices Kathryn Mickle Werdegar and Carlos Moreno wrote in dissent.

They went on to argue that the court majority's opinion would allow police "carte blanche, with no showing of exigency, to rummage at leisure through the wealth of personal and business information that can be carried on a mobile phone or handheld computer merely because the device was taken from an arrestee's person. The majority thus sanctions a highly intrusive and unjustified type of search, one meeting neither the warrant requirement nor the reasonableness requirement of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution."

The courts have gone back and forth in the past on how much privacy protection should be given to data that can be found on a citizen's cell phone. A Pennsylvania District Court ruled in 2008 that law enforcement must get a warrant before acquiring historical records of a cell phone user's physical movements. The same year, the 9th Circuit Court said that the text messages of a police officer had to meet the standards of a reasonable search before law enforcement could access them. In 2010, however, the US Supreme Court said that government employers have the right to read transcripts of employees' e-mails, IMs, texts, and other communications, and that the Fourth Amendment wouldn't protect them from a government search.

South Texas College of Law professor Adam Gershowitz argued in a 2008 paper that the proliferation of iPhone-like devices means that officers fishing through your pockets for weapons can suddenly access a plethora of sensitive documents, not to mention possible passwords. "ince the Supreme Court has ruled that police have broad authority to arrest people for even trivial infractions, such as failure to wear a seat belt, the current rule gives law enforcement officers broad discretion to transform a routine traffic stop into a highly intrusive excavation of your digital life," Ars observed at the time.

Gershowtiz suggested a number of possibilities for how courts could distinguish between an appropriate cell phone search and an inappropriate one, but no such rules exist yet. In the meantime, California citizens may want to be extra careful about what gets stored on their devices, lest the police find a reason to dig up your sexy texts or communications with your private "dispensary."
 

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I have 2 passwords on my iPhone to protect my stuff.

The complex sign-in password and I have a jailbroken app that puts a password on every application before it will open.

It slows me down a little but even if they rip it out of my hands when its unlocked they can't do anything.
 

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I have 2 passwords on my iPhone to protect my stuff.

The complex sign-in password and I have a jailbroken app that puts a password on every application before it will open.

It slows me down a little but even if they rip it out of my hands when its unlocked they can't do anything.

maybe a beat cop on the street, but if you think those pw's will stop a police dept compsci specialist I hope you never get popped.
 

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sounds about right, even on the show CSI they go through peoples cell phones all the time and usually call the last number, and it leads them to solving the case, all in a 1hr timeframe.
 

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maybe a beat cop on the street, but if you think those pw's will stop a police dept compsci specialist I hope you never get popped.

first one could be broken. Second one won't.


besides I've seen forensics reports done on mobile phone security.

example:

People would put passwords on display phones all the time at my old job. Our securities department could only hack basic phones and winmo phones. Just saying.
 

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I keep passwords on my txt app along with actual phone too....Love my Android!
 

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you people need to have better memories. Writing down passwords on paper or electronically is a HUGE no-no. Shit would get you fired in certain fields.

in most fields. This is why Blackberry does a killing with serious security companies. Complete control over everything your phone does from IT.
 

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We still require warrants for cell/smart phone searches without consent. I'm ok with that. Haven't had one denied yet.

I wouldn't want to see nekkid pics of the people I arrest. Or their grocery lists.

If you're that worried about the police finding your illegal activity on your phone then don't commit crimes.

edit...what is fragernager??
 

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edit...what is fragernager??

Lol. Its a reference to an old Damon Wayans joke. I tried to find it online but couldn't. He was talking about some white people making up curse words. "Fragernager bull#$$%" was the best part of the joke.
 

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phones nowdays are pretty much small computers, one day i believe the smart phones and home computers will integrate. computers are searched all the time for contents such as downloaded content, search index cookies, child pr0n etc....

not sure i agree with warrantless but it doesnt surprise me
 

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I am so damn tired of hearing that argument. :bash:

Well when you are placed under arrest and your phone is confiscated for evidence, any info contained in that phone is fair game IMO. If your entire drug ring goes down because they got your phone? Great. Just like when we captured the Enigma and used it against the Germans in WWII.

surprised they dont sent a text blast to everyone thats ever texted that phone and say "10 4 80 special" and then respond to every lead that responds back with "sweet deal, got cash, where you wanna meet?" and have people meet up in a predetermined location and bust their asses.
 

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Well when you are placed under arrest and your phone is confiscated for evidence, any info contained in that phone is fair game IMO. If your entire drug ring goes down because they got your phone? Great. Just like when we captured the Enigma and used it against the Germans in WWII.

surprised they dont sent a text blast to everyone thats ever texted that phone and say "10 4 80 special" and then respond to every lead that responds back with "sweet deal, got cash, where you wanna meet?" and have people meet up in a predetermined location and bust their asses.

I wasn't commenting on a cell phone being used as evidence against someone. I was commenting on the "if you don't like it, don't do anything illegal" argument that seems to be more and more common amongst Americans lately.

As far as the cell phone goes...If you are arrested, everything else is searched on or around you, I don't see how or why a cell phone would be considered any differently. I could also see where someone could make an solid argument for the contrary. But again, that wasn't my point...
 

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I wasn't commenting on a cell phone being used as evidence against someone. I was commenting on the "if you don't like it, don't do anything illegal" argument that seems to be more and more common amongst Americans lately.

As far as the cell phone goes...If you are arrested, everything else is searched on or around you, I don't see how or why a cell phone would be considered any differently. I could also see where someone could make an solid argument for the contrary. But again, that wasn't my point...

ah gotcha. Agreed on that sentiment. :beer:
 

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I am so damn tired of hearing that argument. :bash:

It was a valid point.

Same as if I said if you don't like getting speeding tickets, don't speed. I don't see the problem.

If you would care to explain WHY you are so "damn tired" then I'm all ears.

Honestly, I am surprised Cali swung a Judicial vote in that direction. As stated before, I'm content with a warrant. I understand there HAS to be boundaries when it comes to these things. I'd rather put that decision on a judge that signs my warrant. I doubt the evidence would ever be suppressed that way.
 

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Lol. Its a reference to an old Damon Wayans joke. I tried to find it online but couldn't. He was talking about some white people making up curse words. "Fragernager bull#$$%" was the best part of the joke.

Ahh, now it sounds familiar. Love some Damon Wayans. I just introduced a younger friend to some Homie the Clown youtube clips. He's been runnin around sayin "homie don't play dat!" ever since. :lol:
 

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