What tires your most of you running on your R's at the track?
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I run Nitto NT01 on my track car.. very nice.. Track only though
We have tried some different stuff but the Hoosier is the best Tire in my opinion . Gary
Yep, The Hoosier is the best tire, but it is now banned in vintage racing.
The Hoosier is really a racing slick tire with two small groves that tried to be a treaded tire.
It would make a Camaro seem fast.
Has anyone tried the new Toyo RR tires? I understand they are as good as the Hoosier R6 and last a lot longer.
Sounds like the hype I heard about their R888. Toyo's been milking that ol' RA1 for 15+ years and it's replacement was an abomination. Why would I expect anything worth a crap given their track record.
I knew guys who were forced to use the 888 and ran it the neighborhood of -4 degrees neg camber plus shaved camber into the tread just to try and get the car to turn in. Awful race tires produced by a uninspiring motorsports division- if you can call it that. Toyos suck.
That may be a poor word choice. It isn't banned but in specific groups (Group 2, 3, & 5.). in HSR. SVRA may have different rules.
It is because the other cars in those groups (like my 1965 Mustang) are required to race bias belted tires (I use the Hoosier TD or the Goodyear G7). I guess someone complained about the R6.
You'll note here that the Hoosier R6 or the Goodyear Eagle RS are not eligible for awards (a $5 trophy).
http://www.hsrrace.com/2012_News/2012_Approved_Tire_List.pdf
Thanks, yeah I noticed.
For me it never was about the $5 trophy. It was the freedom to choose what products I wanted to use. Simply put, others were forcing me to give up sponsors and relationships for their own self interests. They were getting paid to either mandate certain tires and/ or make others illegal while forcing their will on the me. All the while telling me it was for "my own good".
This is the biggest reason I stopped w2w racing last year. Companies like Toyo and how they conduct their business are an awful part of motorsports.
PS, That list speaks volumes, Doc. There are a number of modern R comp tires not listed and a couple of bad actors are. Makes me wonder why?
I'm trying to work the tire thing out with both HSR and SVRA right now. I hope they will listen to reason and let us run the Hoosier next year. I will try and keep everyone posted but even if I can't run for the 5 dollar trophy I'm ok with that because any other tire I've tried is just Junk. I destroyed a car at Savannah two years ago and to this day I know I wouldn't have knocked the wall down if I would of had the Hoosier tires on the car.
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If I may give a little advice. Ask questions first. You need to know why before you counter the argument.
While I was a series director, I fought (and lost) the spec/ mandated tire wars with NASA National and learned a lot in doing so.
There are two main reasons "they'll" give you for mandating/ specing/ limiting your tire selections.
1. Tire manufacture XYZ is now our "partner"! They're spending their money in order to advertise our organization and in return we've awarded them YOU. Instead of tire company XYZ spending millions on tire development and competing on the track to win customers, they'll spend $50,000 in "advertising money" (See: Payoff) and lock the customers up with out doing any R&D at all. (See: Toyo RA1) Profit with out the pain!
2. A "fair" playing field.
"It's not fair the guys with money show up with new Hoosiers each weekend".
"If I only had a new set of $1000 tires each weekend... I could, would, etc".
Backmarkers and their "uncompetitiveness" feed the "spec tire" craze and justifies the organizations moves. We'll sign the tire contract, take their money and then all the drivers will have a chance to WIN! Sorry, it doesn't work that way. It's common knowledge backmarkers just don't do or spend what it takes to win. Truth hurts. Winners never use tired motors, worn pads/ tires and normally spend top coin on Motons, testing and plenty of high tech parts. The folks who want to be at the pointy end of the field do what it takes and will win regardless of what tires they're forced to use. The backmarkers whining about "fairness" opens the door for the organization to walk through.
Rally your troops and know why before you make your argument(s). I hope it's not too late...
Good Luck!
John,
Vintage is different than NASA pro racing. I know the SE Region pays out money and has some tire programs for racers. They also swap instructor duties for free race entries.
The same tire guy that does the bias belted Hoosier TD does the Hoosier R6. There us another guy that does Goodyear. So, a racer will end up buying from one of the two people that work the races (they pay a fee to HSR to be there) regardless of what tire is required.
I am in the crowd that doesn't like buying race tires. But I don't complain if a guy does use three sets in one weekend (yes, it happens). Heck, I'll make friends and see if he'll gave me that set that were used in two-three sessions. :-D
BTW John, what did you race in NASA? I go up and watch the local region some. They started a vintage class but would allow these front splitters and big rear wings (which are illegal with us).
Another thing. In early Mustangs (1965-1970), HSR has about four different classes. Gary actually was assigned to write the rules (as he did with the Grand-Am Cup cars). It allows $25K Mustangs to race with $150K early Mustangs. They do look to him since his team may bring 4-8 cars to each event.
I am guessing that it will work out.Gary said:
I am trying to see in the rules where Grand-Am ever allowed a dry sump oil system? Just looking...Can't seem to find it....Still looking..
Acura's with the Honda Challenge. The first few years were great then it was like watching a slow train wreak that slowly destroyed the series.
My racing retirement will end soon and I'm looking a place to land where I can race/ play on my own terms using what products I want.
I hoping a vintage mustang with Hoosiers is in my future. We'll see.
Nice. Good job on the Honda spec.
You need to contact Gary and offer support for that tire in vintage. He can take it to the people that make the decisions. The vintage series owner's understand cash flow from racers. :-D
Other than that, I've found it good to race with guys that have the same car. That means we can share parts and advice when needed.
John W. Have you considered racing a lemons car? 4 guys on a team will give you all the track time you want over a weekend at 1/4 the cost . Actually less than that because you start and end with less. We are running a 1.8 DOHC escort and having a ball. You won't win. You won't like some of tech if you have a problem and no sense of humor. You are retiring from racing so that shouldn't matter. I had the most fun weekend of my hobby 'racing' life playing with an under powered, under tired, under prepaired 1991 escort in the rain.
Steve
Steve
Hi Steve,
Honestly, I don't know much about the series.
The concept certainly was interesting when it first came out but, I think they lost me when I saw cars with mohawks and painted-up like Snoopy and the Red Barron. Maybe I should take another look because GRM's articles makes it look like Jackass the Movie goes racing and I'm sure that's not the case.
I run Nitto NT01's on my Terminator for track duty. Great tires! They stick very well and last a lot longer than the Hoosiers.
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