This may only interest a few of you, but I wanted to pass this along anyway.
I just got an email from John Demolet regarding the DC-Univer combo that he's going to be marketing.
I gotta be honest, I hate these technical guys
They get excited when things come together, and start spewing out terminology that would make Einstein sit back and scratch his head :dw:
Obviously, what he sent me wasn't meant for public viewing, so I'm not going to cut/paste anything that he wrote. Truth of the matter is I'm still trying to translate it myself ;-) I'll try and give what details I can without letting the cat out of the bag. I feel an obligation to offer up info to the end-users without violating the boards vendor policies, and without violating John's confidentiality. Here goes.....
For starters, there's alot of new owners to the board, and for their benefit, I'll take this from the top (Sorry vet's )
The DenseCharger is a CAI from Demolet Motorsports. These systems had a great track record in all previous Mustang applications, but encountered some issues with the 2003 Cobra. After doing some experimentation's of my own, I came to the conclusion that my problems with the DC resulted from the meter being in the factory "stock" position. I had John make me a 4x4 coupler, so that I could rotate the meter around and look for a "sweet spot" if you will. I never really found a spot that gave me an extra power boost, but I did find that when I moved the meter to a high noon position, my idle problems and hesitations dissapeared. Slythetove has driven my car and can attest to this. I found this to not really be that big of a surprise, since after looking at other similarly-styled CAI's, all their meter's are also at 12 o'clock. I mention this because all of his new systems will be with the meter in this position. Just FYI for some of you guys.
About the Univer-combo. I personally don't know much about Pro-M, but they are touted as air-flow experts. Maybe some other users can chime in as to whether or not they are as great as their reputation states. They've climbed into bed with John Demolet, and are producing this combo. Instead of a single point, this Univer features a much larger, 360 degree sampling meter. I don't have pictures yet, but have been told the meter itself is much larger than the stock meter. If it samples 360 degrees, that would make sense. Apparently, it's a 100mm system. He's tested this Univer in his own Mustang, and says it's the first aftermarket meter that works with his DC in the "down" position. He's also said that it works fantasticly in the 5.0 applications. As we know, we're not concerned with the 5.0 applications ;-) but i'll be sure and pass along word after I test this thing out next week. According to Pro-m's statistics, this application is good for up to 800hp.
Now keep in mind this is a test unit. It's a finished product, but it's still a beta. There's one potential problem that he's warned me of ahead of time. The new meter is much larger than the stock one, so the sizing of the pipes may not be quite right. He's sending out a non-extended pipe, in case this is a problem, so one way or another, I'll have a correct fit. He also mentioned that they may not make very many of these, since it's a hand-welded unit. That's neither here nor there for me, so I'll leave that one as it is.
Now, this is a little off-subject, but I think it's pertinent information. We all know one of the big problems with the new '03 engines is the stalling issue. Many of us have a rough idle to go along with it.
Pro-M did alot of testing on this, and believe that the meter's position has something to do with it. They also believe that Ford won't/can't do anything about it, because there's no adjustability in the stock meter's positioning. Normally, I'd just give that statement one of these :rollseyes However, take a look at many of the other aftermarket CAI's, and you'll find that they have the meter positioned at 12 o'clock, instead of at the stock position. To me, that's evidence which lends creditability to Pro-M's statement, not to mention my own issue dissapeared when I rotated the meter to high noon. That's food for thought :dw:
Now John, shockingly enough, is sticking by his guns and STILL won't say a word about the 5.0 Shootout article that was supposed to come out........when........like last December? :bash: But the worst kept secret on these forums is that the DC won the shootout. I mention this because if this Univer-combo works, I'm going to be one excited puppy :beer: They are suggesting that I might see a 30rhp increase :thumbsup:. I'll know when I get the system fitted correctly, then up on the dyno.
John never mentioned price, so I don't have information on that. If I were to hazzard a guess, I would say around $275-$325, simply because this isn't just a CAI, it's a combo with an aftermarket meter. In reality, even if all it did was fix my rough idle, it'd be money well spent. I never had any stallings, but if I did and a meter would fix it, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I'm supposed to get the package about this time next week. I'll update at that point.
I just got an email from John Demolet regarding the DC-Univer combo that he's going to be marketing.
I gotta be honest, I hate these technical guys
They get excited when things come together, and start spewing out terminology that would make Einstein sit back and scratch his head :dw:Obviously, what he sent me wasn't meant for public viewing, so I'm not going to cut/paste anything that he wrote. Truth of the matter is I'm still trying to translate it myself ;-) I'll try and give what details I can without letting the cat out of the bag. I feel an obligation to offer up info to the end-users without violating the boards vendor policies, and without violating John's confidentiality. Here goes.....
For starters, there's alot of new owners to the board, and for their benefit, I'll take this from the top (Sorry vet's
)The DenseCharger is a CAI from Demolet Motorsports. These systems had a great track record in all previous Mustang applications, but encountered some issues with the 2003 Cobra. After doing some experimentation's of my own, I came to the conclusion that my problems with the DC resulted from the meter being in the factory "stock" position. I had John make me a 4x4 coupler, so that I could rotate the meter around and look for a "sweet spot" if you will. I never really found a spot that gave me an extra power boost, but I did find that when I moved the meter to a high noon position, my idle problems and hesitations dissapeared. Slythetove has driven my car and can attest to this. I found this to not really be that big of a surprise, since after looking at other similarly-styled CAI's, all their meter's are also at 12 o'clock. I mention this because all of his new systems will be with the meter in this position. Just FYI for some of you guys.
About the Univer-combo. I personally don't know much about Pro-M, but they are touted as air-flow experts. Maybe some other users can chime in as to whether or not they are as great as their reputation states. They've climbed into bed with John Demolet, and are producing this combo. Instead of a single point, this Univer features a much larger, 360 degree sampling meter. I don't have pictures yet, but have been told the meter itself is much larger than the stock meter. If it samples 360 degrees, that would make sense. Apparently, it's a 100mm system. He's tested this Univer in his own Mustang, and says it's the first aftermarket meter that works with his DC in the "down" position. He's also said that it works fantasticly in the 5.0 applications. As we know, we're not concerned with the 5.0 applications ;-) but i'll be sure and pass along word after I test this thing out next week. According to Pro-m's statistics, this application is good for up to 800hp.
Now keep in mind this is a test unit. It's a finished product, but it's still a beta. There's one potential problem that he's warned me of ahead of time. The new meter is much larger than the stock one, so the sizing of the pipes may not be quite right. He's sending out a non-extended pipe, in case this is a problem, so one way or another, I'll have a correct fit. He also mentioned that they may not make very many of these, since it's a hand-welded unit. That's neither here nor there for me, so I'll leave that one as it is.
Now, this is a little off-subject, but I think it's pertinent information. We all know one of the big problems with the new '03 engines is the stalling issue. Many of us have a rough idle to go along with it.
Pro-M did alot of testing on this, and believe that the meter's position has something to do with it. They also believe that Ford won't/can't do anything about it, because there's no adjustability in the stock meter's positioning. Normally, I'd just give that statement one of these :rollseyes However, take a look at many of the other aftermarket CAI's, and you'll find that they have the meter positioned at 12 o'clock, instead of at the stock position. To me, that's evidence which lends creditability to Pro-M's statement, not to mention my own issue dissapeared when I rotated the meter to high noon. That's food for thought :dw:
Now John, shockingly enough, is sticking by his guns and STILL won't say a word about the 5.0 Shootout article that was supposed to come out........when........like last December? :bash: But the worst kept secret on these forums is that the DC won the shootout. I mention this because if this Univer-combo works, I'm going to be one excited puppy :beer: They are suggesting that I might see a 30rhp increase :thumbsup:. I'll know when I get the system fitted correctly, then up on the dyno.
John never mentioned price, so I don't have information on that. If I were to hazzard a guess, I would say around $275-$325, simply because this isn't just a CAI, it's a combo with an aftermarket meter. In reality, even if all it did was fix my rough idle, it'd be money well spent. I never had any stallings, but if I did and a meter would fix it, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I'm supposed to get the package about this time next week. I'll update at that point.
