All this Demon hype is ridiculous.
lets pay homage to the reason it exists to begin with.
THE 03/04 TERMI BRAH!!
lets pay homage to the reason it exists to begin with.
THE 03/04 TERMI BRAH!!
I dunno about the rain comments, but comparing the Demon to any of the cars here is laughable in any category but 1/4 mile. Nobody is gonna be cross shopping a LAF etc with a demon.
And I'm sorry, but it's not like Dodge has achieved something amazing or done anything truely impressive engineering wise. Yes, it's fast. But is it any faster/better than what the aftermarket already offers?
What exactly is it doing that a aftermarket supercharged Hellcat, ZL1, or GT500 cannot? Isn't it basically a factory version of an aftermarket modded car, except it costs way more?
You can't really make the argument someone couldn't take a coyote, new Camaro, or 392 charger etc and have a faster, still street legal car for far less $$. And if the 1/4 mile is all that matters....
To me this thing is like a Roush/Shelby version of a mustang GT. It's cool, it's fast (in the demons case really fast) but if I was my dollar I'd be hard pressed to spend 100 grand plus on what amounts to a sooped up 35k car you still need to weld a cage in to hit NHRA tracks. No thanks.
Edit: On top of all that, it's 85k plus insane ADMs. Fully out of reach of most people. It's not like this is some bargain of a car with tons of insane cutting edge tech.
The cheapest build is buying a used xbox 360 and forza 4, building a car in the game to 1000+hp. Can do that in less than a day! (buy the console and game, earn money to buy cars, build a foxbody).Cliff notes:
A $5K fox body beater can be made faster than a Demon for way less money.
All factory performance cars are a waste. Just build up some old piece of crap for cheaper.
But would you take the demon on a 2k mile road trip on dr and skinnies. Hellcat pleaseI agree that people looking at $400k super/hyper cars are "likely" not including a Dodge Challenger in the list of options.
Really, the big deal isn't the speed or power, but the fact that it is factory stock. It set something like 7 all-time records and a few factory firsts, as it relates to a production car.
Plus, you're aren't gonna take a 9 second fox body on a 2,000 mile road trip and expect to be even remotely comfortable. If the Demon is anything like my Hellcat, you'll likely be able to drive the car coast to coast in comfort.
My Hellcat is like a Fleetwood Brougham, but it runs 10s. My guess is the Demon will be the same.
Cliff notes:
A $5K fox body beater can be made faster than a Demon for way less money.
All factory performance cars are a waste. Just build up some old piece of crap for cheaper.
Point is, for far less money you could build a faster car on the exact same platform. What's tough is building something like a ZL1 or 350R which will do many things well, and not beat you to death doing it.
Prove that it's more difficult. Don't so quickly assume a drag focused car is some elementary engineering exercise.
As for doing a lower cost version for less, you could make the same exact argument about the ZL1 and 350. By the base V8 versions of each car, drop $10K in them and mop the floor with them and be money way ahead. One is a fully validated factory effort, and one is simply modified.
I call BS on an enthusiast that can truly afford any of those hyper cars not "cross-shopping". Our resident "can afford those cars" enthusiast has already stated (in no certain terms) that the Demon is on the plate as far as purchases go.
I call BS on an enthusiast that can truly afford any of those hyper cars not "cross-shopping". Our resident "can afford those cars" enthusiast has already stated (in no certain terms) that the Demon is on the plate as far as purchases go.
Edit: And when did SVTP become so rampant with ricer logic?
Key word is enthusiast. Sure there are millionaires that can buy a hyper car every now and then (probably as an investment or status symbol). But those aren't the guys I'm talking about. I'm talking the ones that build a museum of vehicles or track the shit out of their fleet.I wouldn't go that far. It isn't as binary as you can afford to buy every hyper car that comes out every year, or you can afford a Demon. There are modest millionaires out there who can afford 1 hyper car purchase every 5 years or so.
Key word is enthusiast. Sure there are millionaires that can buy a hyper car every now and then (probably as an investment or status symbol). But those aren't the guys I'm talking about. I'm talking the ones that build a museum of vehicles or track the shit out of their fleet.
He may not of have shared with us...but I doubt @treynor is building a mega yacht. Not saying he lacks the money, but that his priority seems to be cars.
Not at all. But if you can truly afford one of those $1mil+ hyper cars an $100k (including ADM) should* not be a problem. But this is a stupid comparison to begin with as "cross-shopping" really only applies to us pleabs.So people in the middle can't be an enthusiast? If you only buy 1 or two hyper cars, you aren't an enthusiast? You're only an enthusiast if you buy a Demon?
Great post Earl!Sadly some guys are seriously butthurt since it is a Dodge and not a Ford. I also think they are tired of waiting for the next Shelby GT500.
Ford was top dog for a while with 13/14 Shelby GT500. Then the Hellcat's came out, followed by a new ZL1. Now the Demon and its like why is Ford taking so long, oh they released a TT v6 Ford GT nobody can afford great!
The GT350 is great, but lets be real its about 1/4 mile times and horsepower bragging rights for most on this forum.
I dont doubt the next GT500 is going to be a beast, I just think the Ford Faithful are growing a little impatient waiting for it.
He may not of have shared with us...but I doubt @treynor is building a mega yacht. Not saying he lacks the money, but that his priority seems to be cars.
Prove that it's more difficult. Don't so quickly assume a drag focused car is some elementary engineering exercise.
As for doing a lower cost version for less, you could make the same exact argument about the ZL1 and 350. By the base V8 versions of each car, drop $10K in them and mop the floor with them and be money way ahead. One is a fully validated factory effort, and one is simply modified.
They added more power via a bigger blower, a killer chiller, and a few other race goodies the aftermarket has been using for decades. Then they pulled the seats out and removed other things for weight reduction, added big rear tires and skinnys and went to town. This isn't rocket science.
Meanwhile youre asking to "prove" that it took more engineering to develop a car like the McLaren that uses a hybrid drive train, active aero, carbon fiber everything, insane stability and traction controls, you name it. Really?
Even the ZL1/350R are much more difficult, and the proof is easy to see. Go scroll down to the 2011-2014 mustangs section and look at the laundry list of guys in the 9 (and even 8) second club. Now let's see a list of 2011+ mustangs that handle like a 350r....I've never seen one.