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<blockquote data-quote="SergntMac" data-source="post: 2896186" data-attributes="member: 36158"><p>No disrespect taken, Tim, or, meant in my reply.</p><p></p><p>We can quit kidding each other here too, Tim, about who we support, and who we would like to see crash in flames. Let's both keep it civil, and we'll be fine, K? Nature will take it's course here, it's called "the food chain".</p><p></p><p>"Onset"...You mean <u>before</u> a specific customer came his way? I don't think the history supports this contention. Nonetheless, if one vendor chose to invest in a Marauder for his own personal use, well, it's happened before.</p><p></p><p>Wes Chain owns his own Marauder. Paul, of Paul's High Performance ('02/'03 vendor) also owns his own Marauder, the "Street Stalker", but he's parked that Marauder on a private street now. Yes, ownership happens, but it's not a standard to meet...Yet.</p><p></p><p>Whether the Trilogy demo cars cost Trilogy 1 dollar, or, Trilogy paid "sticker" for each car doesn't really matter to me, because the Trilogy cars are not customer owned cars nor one man's personal property. Perhaps they are assets of FMC, assets of Trilogy Motorsports, or, it's parent, Trilogy International, but they are <u>not</u> privately owned, which was my only point when I mentioned them in reply. I'm sorry this point distracted us from the matter at hand, I'm not focused on any Trilogy business.</p><p></p><p>My point goes on to illustrate that the <u>only</u> automotive company doing R&D on supercharger kits for Marauders that <u>can</u> offer up a demo car, is a company that has full time control of the test car. Therefore, when you ask "when there's a kit on a shelf, and a Marauder in the driveway, why isn't there a demo car"? and my answer is...</p><p></p><p>This standard has not been set. Trilogy has two demo cars. The rest of the vendors I mentioned as "explorers" in a new world of supercharging the Marauder, did not have, or, use demo cars. ProCharger almost had a demo car with Greg's Marauder, but he sold it to a film company and it's no longer available to any of us today. Did anyone get to test drive it before it was sold? I cannot say I know for sure, one way or another.</p><p></p><p>So, as it stands now, only 1 out of 5 supercharger developers/vendors at the MM.Net offer demo cars, and I conclude that "a demo car" is not an industry standard...Yet. Moreover, lateral examples seem to indicate that a demo car will never achieve the status of "industry standard" or, expected behavior.</p><p></p><p>Among the vendors we have at the MM.Net, TireRack has no demo cars for any of the volumes of tires, or, racing accessories that TireRack wants to sell us. Wes Chain/Innovative Interceptors does not offer any test drives of his wares. Todd/TCE does not offer any samples of his brake products, likewise JLT induction kits, Metco does not offer any of their induction kits, control arms, driveshaft loops, Naake's QA-1 coil overs and shocks are not available for testing, likewise Kook's headers, Stainless Works headers, and any of the half dozen muffler companies mentioned in posts ad nauseum, Hell, the best you can <u>ever</u> get for your Marauder, isn't even a vendor with us! But, we still hear about his "Grand" shop, without a problem.</p><p></p><p>And this is just a quick analysis of what's on the MM.Net site alone, what's approved for posting, vendor status, and not. Expand this discussion to encompass contemporary business that does not care one bit about Marauders, such as Summit Racing, Jegs, Ford Racing, and where, or, where, are the test cars?</p><p></p><p>Tim?</p><p></p><p>Companies who sell high performance mods for specific automobiles, do not offer demo cars for testing, or, point of sale impact. Therefore, once you you render the question as I have, foundation other than one lone supposition, is absent. Furthermore, pause to examine what we are talking about when we mention the "R&D" pastel of this question.</p><p></p><p>Installing an Eaton based roots supercharger on the Marauder was quite an engineering accomplishment. Very special components had to be researched, designed, alpha-produced, beta-tested, certified durable, and tuned to perfection. I like the words "from scratch" here, they cover all of this crap for me.</p><p></p><p>Any business undertaking this serious of a development project is better served owning a prototype. Anytime in this development process that you "turn the next card", all of it could go bust, and Trilogy earns my compliments for enduring the turn of the card, <u>and</u> keeping it all under wraps until it was ready to be released to the public. This was my earlier point too, that we learned nothing of this project until Lidio was ready for the "maiden voyage" at a race track near him.</p><p></p><p>However, when we change the supercharger style from a positive displacement roots, to a centrifugal, the playing field is <u>not</u> litered with technology mines. The Mustang, and it's various drivetrains, span 40 years of research and development, thus there are half a dozen centrifugal blower kits on the shelves to pick from. The conversion R&D is minimal, in comparasion. The oldest (in my memory) is a Paxton kit for the first generation Mustang, but there are more today. Vortech, ProCharger, Paxton/Novi 2000, AED, and so on.</p><p></p><p>The R&D behind making these kits fit any particular automobile, is simply a matter of brackets, belts and hoses, because all of them do the same thing the same way. They force air and fuel into the factory intake. The build is less complicated, requires no internal mods. The car can be tuned aggressively, or, moderately, your choice is water to air, or, air to air. Even this choice, was designed long before the Marauder was a word we could use in a sentence.</p><p></p><p>There are other issues today too, yes. Boost, tuning, timing, tranny control and so on. But, when you consider the challenge to the designer, it's more a matter of measuring the stretch of stuff to fit the Marauder engine bay, not a matter of closing the OEM hood.</p><p></p><p>Kudos to Trilogy, but if we're talking centrifugal kits, Reinhart couldn't steal anything from Greg that Greg didn't steal from Kenny Brown.</p><p></p><p>The honors for the very first ever supercharged Marauder anywhere in the world, belongs to Bill Karrow (MENSREA), and Kenny Brown. They broke the ground, stretched the hoses, pulled pulleys, belted belts, and fabricated brackets. If these two men had not done what they did, none of us would have anything to bicker about today.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SergntMac, post: 2896186, member: 36158"] No disrespect taken, Tim, or, meant in my reply. We can quit kidding each other here too, Tim, about who we support, and who we would like to see crash in flames. Let's both keep it civil, and we'll be fine, K? Nature will take it's course here, it's called "the food chain". "Onset"...You mean [U]before[/U] a specific customer came his way? I don't think the history supports this contention. Nonetheless, if one vendor chose to invest in a Marauder for his own personal use, well, it's happened before. Wes Chain owns his own Marauder. Paul, of Paul's High Performance ('02/'03 vendor) also owns his own Marauder, the "Street Stalker", but he's parked that Marauder on a private street now. Yes, ownership happens, but it's not a standard to meet...Yet. Whether the Trilogy demo cars cost Trilogy 1 dollar, or, Trilogy paid "sticker" for each car doesn't really matter to me, because the Trilogy cars are not customer owned cars nor one man's personal property. Perhaps they are assets of FMC, assets of Trilogy Motorsports, or, it's parent, Trilogy International, but they are [U]not[/U] privately owned, which was my only point when I mentioned them in reply. I'm sorry this point distracted us from the matter at hand, I'm not focused on any Trilogy business. My point goes on to illustrate that the [U]only[/U] automotive company doing R&D on supercharger kits for Marauders that [U]can[/U] offer up a demo car, is a company that has full time control of the test car. Therefore, when you ask "when there's a kit on a shelf, and a Marauder in the driveway, why isn't there a demo car"? and my answer is... This standard has not been set. Trilogy has two demo cars. The rest of the vendors I mentioned as "explorers" in a new world of supercharging the Marauder, did not have, or, use demo cars. ProCharger almost had a demo car with Greg's Marauder, but he sold it to a film company and it's no longer available to any of us today. Did anyone get to test drive it before it was sold? I cannot say I know for sure, one way or another. So, as it stands now, only 1 out of 5 supercharger developers/vendors at the MM.Net offer demo cars, and I conclude that "a demo car" is not an industry standard...Yet. Moreover, lateral examples seem to indicate that a demo car will never achieve the status of "industry standard" or, expected behavior. Among the vendors we have at the MM.Net, TireRack has no demo cars for any of the volumes of tires, or, racing accessories that TireRack wants to sell us. Wes Chain/Innovative Interceptors does not offer any test drives of his wares. Todd/TCE does not offer any samples of his brake products, likewise JLT induction kits, Metco does not offer any of their induction kits, control arms, driveshaft loops, Naake's QA-1 coil overs and shocks are not available for testing, likewise Kook's headers, Stainless Works headers, and any of the half dozen muffler companies mentioned in posts ad nauseum, Hell, the best you can [U]ever[/U] get for your Marauder, isn't even a vendor with us! But, we still hear about his "Grand" shop, without a problem. And this is just a quick analysis of what's on the MM.Net site alone, what's approved for posting, vendor status, and not. Expand this discussion to encompass contemporary business that does not care one bit about Marauders, such as Summit Racing, Jegs, Ford Racing, and where, or, where, are the test cars? Tim? Companies who sell high performance mods for specific automobiles, do not offer demo cars for testing, or, point of sale impact. Therefore, once you you render the question as I have, foundation other than one lone supposition, is absent. Furthermore, pause to examine what we are talking about when we mention the "R&D" pastel of this question. Installing an Eaton based roots supercharger on the Marauder was quite an engineering accomplishment. Very special components had to be researched, designed, alpha-produced, beta-tested, certified durable, and tuned to perfection. I like the words "from scratch" here, they cover all of this crap for me. Any business undertaking this serious of a development project is better served owning a prototype. Anytime in this development process that you "turn the next card", all of it could go bust, and Trilogy earns my compliments for enduring the turn of the card, [U]and[/U] keeping it all under wraps until it was ready to be released to the public. This was my earlier point too, that we learned nothing of this project until Lidio was ready for the "maiden voyage" at a race track near him. However, when we change the supercharger style from a positive displacement roots, to a centrifugal, the playing field is [U]not[/U] litered with technology mines. The Mustang, and it's various drivetrains, span 40 years of research and development, thus there are half a dozen centrifugal blower kits on the shelves to pick from. The conversion R&D is minimal, in comparasion. The oldest (in my memory) is a Paxton kit for the first generation Mustang, but there are more today. Vortech, ProCharger, Paxton/Novi 2000, AED, and so on. The R&D behind making these kits fit any particular automobile, is simply a matter of brackets, belts and hoses, because all of them do the same thing the same way. They force air and fuel into the factory intake. The build is less complicated, requires no internal mods. The car can be tuned aggressively, or, moderately, your choice is water to air, or, air to air. Even this choice, was designed long before the Marauder was a word we could use in a sentence. There are other issues today too, yes. Boost, tuning, timing, tranny control and so on. But, when you consider the challenge to the designer, it's more a matter of measuring the stretch of stuff to fit the Marauder engine bay, not a matter of closing the OEM hood. Kudos to Trilogy, but if we're talking centrifugal kits, Reinhart couldn't steal anything from Greg that Greg didn't steal from Kenny Brown. The honors for the very first ever supercharged Marauder anywhere in the world, belongs to Bill Karrow (MENSREA), and Kenny Brown. They broke the ground, stretched the hoses, pulled pulleys, belted belts, and fabricated brackets. If these two men had not done what they did, none of us would have anything to bicker about today. [/QUOTE]
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