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<blockquote data-quote="ArmedSuspect" data-source="post: 13872303" data-attributes="member: 153570"><p>i'll punch this out into three parts:</p><p></p><p></p><p>1 - the Windham "carbon" rifles are complete and total shit! Bushmaster and a few others make the exact same product and nothing has changed... they're junk. </p><p></p><p>if you plan to buy it, stuff it under the bed and rarely, if ever, shoot it then i guess it'll do. before the split, when it was Bushmaster from Maine, we sent back well over a dozen of them for function issues. that's AFTER we repaired several trying to keep them running for a few guys. eventually the boss got tired of paying me to fix them and decided to just start shipping them back... </p><p></p><p>two weeks ago one of my customers brought a Windham carbon in that wouldn't hold zero. a loose barrel nut on a brand new gun, go figure :shrug:</p><p></p><p>just so we're clear, the carbon things aren't produced in Windham Main either. they come from Arizona... strangely, the same state that the crappy Bushy guns came from. (some current Bushmaster carbon rifles i've seen recently say N.Y.).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>2 - there **may** be truth in the bolt <em><u>carrier</u></em> and small components being constructed from the same material as your Colt. this doesn't instantly transfer to both of them being the same quality. </p><p></p><p>the exact spec and grade of each metal used is an unknown for most Bushmaster parts. the spec on the heat treat of these components is also largely unknown. ... type of finish, method used to apply and quality of workmanship aren't exact. </p><p></p><p>the quality and construction of the BOLT itself are NOT the same. the testing process is NOT the same. the spring, insert and steel used for the extractor are NOT the same. </p><p></p><p>so, while the firing pin and associated retaining pin MAY be the same it doesn't translate into the quality of the two being equal. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>3 - Windham guns are not "MUCH" cheaper than Bushmaster branded products, new and old. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>i'm far from a Colt fan and i don't really have a lot of issues with Windham or Bushmaster for the occasional "recreational" shooter. my main issue with both of them is a quality for money invested thing. </p><p></p><p>the carbon guns are shit no matter who's name is on them. i don't care what internet mall ninja review anyone digs up contradicting my view... when you do what i do, repair the guns i do and ACTUALLY care about the end user like i do you wouldn't want anything to do with the carbon guns.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>M&P sport can be had for about $655.00</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ArmedSuspect, post: 13872303, member: 153570"] i'll punch this out into three parts: 1 - the Windham "carbon" rifles are complete and total shit! Bushmaster and a few others make the exact same product and nothing has changed... they're junk. if you plan to buy it, stuff it under the bed and rarely, if ever, shoot it then i guess it'll do. before the split, when it was Bushmaster from Maine, we sent back well over a dozen of them for function issues. that's AFTER we repaired several trying to keep them running for a few guys. eventually the boss got tired of paying me to fix them and decided to just start shipping them back... two weeks ago one of my customers brought a Windham carbon in that wouldn't hold zero. a loose barrel nut on a brand new gun, go figure :shrug: just so we're clear, the carbon things aren't produced in Windham Main either. they come from Arizona... strangely, the same state that the crappy Bushy guns came from. (some current Bushmaster carbon rifles i've seen recently say N.Y.). 2 - there **may** be truth in the bolt [I][U]carrier[/U][/I] and small components being constructed from the same material as your Colt. this doesn't instantly transfer to both of them being the same quality. the exact spec and grade of each metal used is an unknown for most Bushmaster parts. the spec on the heat treat of these components is also largely unknown. ... type of finish, method used to apply and quality of workmanship aren't exact. the quality and construction of the BOLT itself are NOT the same. the testing process is NOT the same. the spring, insert and steel used for the extractor are NOT the same. so, while the firing pin and associated retaining pin MAY be the same it doesn't translate into the quality of the two being equal. 3 - Windham guns are not "MUCH" cheaper than Bushmaster branded products, new and old. i'm far from a Colt fan and i don't really have a lot of issues with Windham or Bushmaster for the occasional "recreational" shooter. my main issue with both of them is a quality for money invested thing. the carbon guns are shit no matter who's name is on them. i don't care what internet mall ninja review anyone digs up contradicting my view... when you do what i do, repair the guns i do and ACTUALLY care about the end user like i do you wouldn't want anything to do with the carbon guns. M&P sport can be had for about $655.00 . [/QUOTE]
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