GTR vs GT2 vs ACR vs Z06
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I dont think tires would help much. ACR still has ot beat with suspension wise.
:werd: what happened to the 3.4 sec 0-60 times...and the consistent 11.9 1/4 times @ 118...that 3900 lb car is finally producing its true numbers...
did anyone notice where the Porsche is producing all of its torque???/ 2200RPM??/ wow...that's impressive....also 206 MPH top speed....phew....design design design
and the lap times??? how come all of a sudden it lost every car except tihe ZO6 which it barely outpaced....but yet in Germany it's 7 seconds faster when it was a prototype...
man..I couldn't imagine buying one in the US market and finding out it was actually a turd and you get drilled into the dirt whenever you face a ZO6 or Viper on the street..
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LOL @ 20 points for price
I think you mean Car and Driver...I know they did a comparo with the new M3, GTR and 911 turbo (finishing in that order). But Motor trend could have done the same comparo.
They stated in the article that the GTR they were driving was running badly (terrible tranny noises, clunks) They stated it probably spent all of its 4k miles of life one launch at a time, but they also mentioned that since that test, they had already tested another GTR that was as quick as the first. Maybe these beat up test cars are running out of steam. I wanna see it against a regular 2009 viper, not sure why they used an ACR.
+1, 111mph trap speeds..:lol: Don't get me wrong it's a great car, (and I bet it's capable of 115-116mph traps with a high 11 second e.t) but all the hype surrounding it was just absolutely ridiculous. That car will NEVER trap 122-124mph unless it's going downhill. The Z06 crushes it, as it should weighing 700lbs less with the same or more power. The Skyline is basically an EVO/STI with more power and technology. It might perform great on a tight track where grip is the determining factor, but when it comes to nearly every other performance aspect, physics wins; the lighter more powerful car will prevail. :beer:
How does car and driver go from running 11.5 @ 124mph back in may to 111mph? The first one must have been a ringer with a bit more power and this one an underpowered one because @ the world every mag is trapping @ 120mph.
So you don't think running an R compound tire compared to the runflats is going to make much of a difference :rollseyes
Damn that ACR is INSANELY fast around a track. I bet its within striking distance of setting the lap record at the nurburgring. Either way, they placed the slowest car 1st in a performance test. Ragazines....
Also, how in 4chan.org did the GTR score higher on exterior styling than the Z06...especially when they say in the lows, "not pretty." Just stupid.
Also, how in 4chan.org did the GTR score higher on exterior styling than the Z06...especially when they say in the lows, "not pretty." Just stupid.
The Porsche has very trick variable vain turbochargers, which makes me wonder why they listed "turbo lag" in the lows, since every other test I've watched/read claimed the car had absolutely none. It should be apparent by the peak torque at 2200rpm!
Also...if they had actually done the proportion on the price correctly, the Z06 would have recieved 19 points on the price comparison, bearing the GTR as the standard. Thats purely a fact. What a loaded, BS test. I mean if you look at it, the Z06 is $30k cheaper than the ACR, but receives the same amount of points on price?
edit: nvm I read it wrong :lol: But nonetheless, try finding a GTR for anything less than $100k once they go on sale...
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the ONE gtr that nissan has been letting people test and has been runing around the ring ..
guess what its a factory hoped up car i have said since day ONE none of the production cars will come near its performance
the ONE gtr that nissan has been letting people test and has been runing around the ring ..
guess what its a factory hoped up car i have said since day ONE none of the production cars will come near its performance
They hit on something else as well, which makes no sense... the part where they basically say the Z is on the line between breaking out and gripping, much to the point where it feels heavier than all the rest being on the edge like it is. If anything a normal person with half a brain would be able to tell the Z is right at 50/50 when driving it and it would feel lighter rather than heavier as I about bet there is not much roll coming to the point of break out... hence having the rear fly out going over the edge a bit says the opposite of the feel of being heavy, it would feel light if anything at all.
They actually went from 11.5@124 to 12.1@115 to 12.6@111.
12.6 @ 111 is stock terminator territory isn't it? And with the awd, launch control, AND dsg gearbox, I can't see that car getting much quicker, even with slicks. Fodder for C5 Z06? Yes. :lol:
Hype hype hype... I agree, I believe lots have said and realize this about the GTR due to the numbers it laid down compared to what it would and should be putting down in stock form at 3800+ pounds. Speaking of which, few have showed dynos reporting a little over 400 to the wheels which are inline with the SAE %. Pending the dyno of course seeing how they have reported different numbers pending the dyno they have used.
I think the fan boys are playing too much into the scene and downplaying the obvious but a few more months and people will realize their Godzilla will not be much without mods.
Don't get me wrong... this car with lighter wheels, seats, and a few weight-reduction items added bringing it down maybe 200 to 300 pounds and being able to run 19/20 pounds (if the gearbox can take it) with new/larger turbos and this car will be like 03/04 Cobras. Meaning... simple bolt-ons and upping the boost will get these cars to 600 to 800 to the wheels pretty easy.
I still don't like the fact there is hype and misleading information being tossed out in the past. That and everyone playing it around the internet as it being the car of all cars and comparing it to vehicles like the Porsche CGT.
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I love how every review of the Viper downs it for not having electronic nannies, OMG, imagine having to actually DRIVE your car on the track, what a concept.
I agree with jsd, the ZR1 should take the ACR in the 1/4, but the ACR should win on a roadcourse. And the GTR will be far behind both of them LOL
I agree with jsd, the ZR1 should take the ACR in the 1/4, but the ACR should win on a roadcourse. And the GTR will be far behind both of them LOL
I can never understand how they get the rankings the way they do the slowest car number one..... C/d reviews are like flipping a coin sometimes there great and sometimes they blow no middle ground.
I love how they call the z06 a big softie hahaha... But i do agree on the fact that the z06 needed different tires for the test... I have heard many drivers say one of the most important components of road racing is tires and how much of a difference they can make.... for example if the z06 had some Mich. pilot tires i am sure it would of done a hell of alot better pry 2 seconds on the track...
I love how they call the z06 a big softie hahaha... But i do agree on the fact that the z06 needed different tires for the test... I have heard many drivers say one of the most important components of road racing is tires and how much of a difference they can make.... for example if the z06 had some Mich. pilot tires i am sure it would of done a hell of alot better pry 2 seconds on the track...
+1 I believe the first time C&D tested the Z, they said it was the greatest track car @ that price that has ever been built. Now all of a sudden they say it is not a great track car???????
ACR owned on the track. And for most mags, the track numbers always win. This article made no sense.
It's a hack article, when you use subjective things as looks, NVH, trunk space, feel?, etc... someone else is pulling (or purchasing) the strings. Come on, I'm sure the ACR, as like in past Vipers, has the best/comfortable seats in the class hands down, for instance.
If you look at the performance numbers, the old-school 20 valve with big displacement gets the job done at the end of the day. How ironic.
It's a hack article, when you use subjective things as looks, NVH, trunk space, feel?, etc... someone else is pulling (or purchasing) the strings. Come on, I'm sure the ACR, as like in past Vipers, has the best/comfortable seats in the class hands down, for instance.
If you look at the performance numbers, the old-school 20 valve with big displacement gets the job done at the end of the day. How ironic.
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