Demon on the Loose...

[Zemedici]

Read today that the Demon will have some kind of "killer chiller" type set-up for the intercooler system.

Yup correct - uses the A/C to help cool the intake air charge, reportedly by up to 45 degrees.

 

[Darth Racer]

Looking like they scraped the twin turbos to cut costs, so look for a blown 5.2 (unsure on what crank). Hate bean counters.

Well......it'll cost less for the consumer to buy a GT500 with the S/C.

 

[Fourcam380]

Yup correct - uses the A/C to help cool the intake air charge, reportedly by up to 45 degrees.

I wonder if they had to license that from Coletti?

 

[Fourcam380]

Well......it'll cost less for the consumer to buy a GT500 with the S/C.

I think they would have sold a ton either way, witness the GT350, a bargain for what it is but still pricey for a stang.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Regarding the killer chiller, I mean a/c cooling idea, nice work. It's cool to see an OEM bringing attention to this admittedly easy and effective cooling technique.

Regarding turbo vs sc, it'd be great to see Ford offer the first domestic turbo v8 in the modern era, and I was very hopeful of it. It doesn't look like that's the end product anymore. I hope it is.

If it's sc'd, I hope they cool the hell out of it to keep heat sink at bay. The honest among us know that a factory sc setup (much lower stress than aftermarket builds) can be produced in a way that mitigates most all heat sink.

Case in point, the gen 7(? 6.5?) Camaro zl1. Same lt4 engine but much revised cooling design basically doesn't allow it to heat sink.

In all truth, as a fan of fast fords, if they can meet and exceed the zl1 in most all perimeters while keeping in line with a $62,500-75,000 price range, the car will be epic.

An M4 makes 440hp for that money. It would take big money to buy a comparable amg or M product. Honestly they don't even have any 650hp muscle coupes under 4000lbs for sale, save the $185-275k amg gt variants, going over to Porsche, you'd be looking deep into 911 gt2 territory to get that kind of power/weight.

I digress. I want real news on this thing, I'm getting bored speculating...

 

[Fourcam380]

If I could do this in a new GT500 with software only I'd be happy:


You can get these once $100K+ cars now in the 40s. Not much good for anything other than straight line and cruising though.

 

[DepWraith]

Was told price point is around 72k.

 

[Eatonualive281]

Buy frpp 5.2 shortblock. Put into s550. Slap tvs on. Have gt500. lol AMIRIGHT?

 

[Breitling]

I'm starting to lose my enthusiasm for the new GT500. The S/C 5.2L just seems like "been there, done that." I was really hoping Ford would bring something new to the table. Plus, I'm not sure how much power the 5.2 will make. It just doesn't excite me as much anymore.

Maybe when it's finally released and we see some specs it will reinvigorate my desire. Hopefully we'll know something soon.

 

[Fourcam380]

Ford just rebadge the zr1, after all that would save the most on R&D.

 

[Clemson]

Wouldnt an AC cooled intake require lots of drag on the system? How much net gain would you see there?

 

[Eatonualive281]

I think they mean the IC fluid is cooled by the AC system. not the intake air charge.

 

[Clemson]

I think they mean the IC fluid is cooled by the AC system. not the intake air charge.

Regardless, the ac system would be operational in order to cool, creating drag on the system.

 

[Fourcam380]

Regardless, the ac system would be operational in order to cool, creating drag on the system.

Good question. I wonder if the net gain is 45hp or if it's used prior to a run but not during to avoid parasitic loss.

 

[Eatonualive281]

I see. Id just run the system to chill the fluid to the coldest it will get. then obviously turn it off while running.

 

[Darth Racer]

I'm starting to lose my enthusiasm for the new GT500. The S/C 5.2L just seems like "been there, done that." I was really hoping Ford would bring something new to the table. Plus, I'm not sure how much power the 5.2 will make. It just doesn't excite me as much anymore.

Maybe when it's finally released and we see some specs it will reinvigorate my desire. Hopefully we'll know something soon.

If the car has 750-800 HP, I'm sure your interest will peak.

 

[tones_RS3]

If the car has 750-800 HP, I'm sure your interest will peak.

 

[Breitling]

If the car has 750-800 HP, I'm sure your interest will peak.

I think you're right that my interest would peak; however, 750-800 HP from a S/C 5.2? Not sure if that's really going to happen. Consider:

First GT500's were 5.4L and made 500 HP
Then next was the 5.4L and made 550 HP
13-14's were 5.8L and made 662 HP

I just don't see the 5.2L (10% less cubes than the 5.8) making 750-800 HP (or 13%-21% more than the 5.8L's 662 HP) with a full factory warranty.

 

[DavidHasselhoff]

Dodge just released their last Demon teaser...it has a high octane fuel button for 100+ octane fuel. Wow! That's a game changer.

 

[Fourcam380]

I think you're right that my interest would peak; however, 750-800 HP from a S/C 5.2? Not sure if that's really going to happen. Consider:

First GT500's were 5.4L and made 500 HP
Then next was the 5.4L and made 550 HP
13-14's were 5.8L and made 662 HP

I just don't see the 5.2L (10% less cubes than the 5.8) making 750-800 HP (or 13%-21% more than the 5.8L's 662 HP) with a full factory warranty.

The limiting factor is always the size of blower or turbo(s) not the displacement of the engine. As far as peak goes anyway.