So what is really involved to install GT350 Heads on a 11 - 16 5.0 Coyote

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Over the last few months we have been getting many calls in regards to what is required to install GT350 Heads onto the 11-16 Blocks so we figured we would share some information to help everyone within the community.

In order to understand what is needed you must understand the heads themselves. The Valvetrain geometry has changed slightly (Valves have been spread apart slightly), this however does not prevent the heads from being used with the earlier camshaft spacing since the folllower wheel or Rocker arm wheel is still 100% in contact with the 11-16 Style camshaft lobes. Now for the first problem. In an effort to reduce weight (among other things) the base circle of the GT350 camshafts were reduced, since the lifter bore locations were relatively unchanged a new roller rocker was required to fill the gap of the new smaller diameter base circle of the cam, the rockers also feature a different diameter wheel and thinner wheel to reduce friction. Ford Simply moved the centerline axis of the wheel to take up the gap caused by the new smaller base circle.

Many of you may be asking what this means for you. Basically if you want to run your existing stock or aftermarket 11-16 cams it requires the use of a Modified rocker arm (now available from MMR), the rocker arm has been clearanced to mimic the GT350 rocker arms because the camshaft will actually touch the rocker arm due to the extended valve heights of the GT350 head. Many of you may be asking "why cant I just use a GT350 rocker arm?" . The answer is that the GT350 rocker arm is not compatible with the base circle of the 11-16 cams and will hold the valve open due to its relocated wheel.

Other information you may need:

Head gaskets - You need to use 2015+ head gaskets due to the oil restrictor, GT350 gaskets can also be used but only suggested on a 3.700" bore

Bore Size - Yes, the valves do open and have adequate clearance for the std 3.630 2011-2016 Bore size

Valve Springs - The factory Valve springs have approx 60lbs of seat pressure, if your combination requires an upgrade these heads require a custom valve spring and retainer (due to the new valve length) MMR has them in stock with 2 options, see below

Camshafts - When using the MMR modified rocker arms any 2011-2016 Camshaft can be used

Other Options - Ford will be releasing custom cams later this month, many people think they are GT350 cams but they are not, they are cams made for Ford with GT350 specs but with the std 2011-2016 Firing order, they also require the 2015+ Timing chain and phaser kit (also now called the Gen2). These cams retail from MMR for $1399 but also require the GT350 rockers since these cams use a small base circle like the GT350 production cams.

Below is a picture of the GT350 heads using a 11-16 Camshaft and stock 11-16 Rocker arm, you can see it does not have adequate clearance between the rocker and the cam lobe.

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Shown below is the modified Rocker from MMR, minimal material is removed in the CNC machine and this modification provides proper clearance.

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A shot of the GT350 cylinder heads

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Parts needed (we will update this list with links to the website shortly):

If you want to run your 11-16 Cams you will need:

MMR Modified Rocker arms - http://www.modularmotorsportsracing...ge=product_info&cPath=4_30_35&products_id=885

If your cams require upgraded valve springs you will need: http://www.modularmotorsportsracing...ge=product_info&cPath=4_30_35&products_id=850

2015-2016 Head Gaskets

If you want to run the new Ford Racing Cams Cams you will need:

The Ford Racing 5.2 Cams http://www.modularmotorsportsracing...page=product_info&cPath=26_27&products_id=893

2015-2016 Head gaskets

GT350 Rocker Arms

2015 + Timing Chain Kit http://www.modularmotorsportsracing...page=product_info&cPath=28_29&products_id=820


Any questions, feel free to ask anytime in this thread.


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great info and thanks for sharing. now can you please make a complete head and cam setup so I dont have to peace it all together..:D
 

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We will likely put a package together shortly.

This would be a great move as I think you be the only ones in the game to do so..
All the LS motors have tones of NA packages but really nothing put together for the coyote guys about time someone did it.
 

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Do you know the duration numbers @ .050" on the new Ford Racing cams? Can these cams be used in 2011-2016 5.0 heads?
 

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I haven't been looking for it, but what kind of flow increases does the GT350 head show over the Boss/2015 style heads?
 

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Do you know the duration numbers @ .050" on the new Ford Racing cams? Can these cams be used in 2011-2016 5.0 heads?

No, the new Ford Racing 5.2 cams due to the smaller base circle cannot be used, they would require excessive lifter shimming which is not suggested.
 

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Thanks for the info, a lot of people wouldn't take the time to go this in-depth on all of this.
 
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I haven't been looking for it, but what kind of flow increases does the GT350 head show over the Boss/2015 style heads?

Has there been a test of the GT350 Heads against the 302R Boss Heads yet? .... This deployment might have me missing things!

Any answers or guesstimates on this question?
I wonder if price difference over 15/16 heads is worth it?
 
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No official tests by the manufacturer (ford). Our flow bench showed a 16cfm flow increase on the intake side and 9cfm on the exhaust
 

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how much more power wud one expect with the head and cam package with a blower car over stock?
 

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the 4% increase in flow is not the measureable Ford would be using.. they are looking at HP and TQ numbers.. those vary wildly even with the same flow.
 

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