2011 GT vs 2003 Cobra

[Entrenched]

My 2011 GT with all bolt ons and a lund tune vs my best friends 2003 cobra with a 2.76 pulley, catback, CAI, and tune.

His car put down 458 at FastLane in Houston. My car put down 391 before the JLT CAI and John Lund tune. Dyno appointment got cancelled for Friday so numbers are soon to follow.

There were 6 races: First 5 the Cobra had a 130lb passenger, who then rode in my car in the final race.

1. Dig, he spun badly and race was over before it started
2. Dig, we both spun and I was 1 1/2 car lengths ahead at 100mph
3. Dig, I nailed the launch and at 100mph I was 2 lengths out
4. 35mph roll, I was in 2nd and he was in 1st. I pulled him a car length up to 120mph.
5. 25mph roll, both in 1st he pulled me a fender until 80mph (had to shut down) but i was steadily pulling him in.
6. 35mph roll, I took the extra rider, he started 1/2 car ahead of me, at 100mph I crept ahead of him but was still pulling him albeit at a slower rate.

Also, I own a terminator too and it amazes me how fast my 2011 is with just simple bolt ons.

 

[matt87]

so what do you think your post mods numbers may be? good runs! all the termi guys are gonna call you on this so get ready. lol!

 

[Bdubbs]

Nice runs, but I'm confused. Probably nearly 100ft/lbs more tq with the terminator he should have jumped out on you from a roll, with that instant low end tq. Also probably a spin fest if he's starting out in 1st at 25-35mph. Heck at that speed in second I spin bad with my nitto drag radials.

 

[fire_4_effect]

Nice runs, but I'm confused. Probably nearly 100ft/lbs more tq with the terminator he should have jumped out on you from a roll, with that instant low end tq. Also probably a spin fest if he's starting out in 1st at 25-35mph. Heck at that speed in second I spin bad with my nitto drag radials.

x2

 

[unforgiven]

Nice runs, if you were driving your 04 could you beat the GT?

 

[Entrenched]

my cobra

I pulled him in my 04 Cobra but we later found out that his intercooler pump had failed. Since the fix, we have been unable to run again since my Cobra is down for major upgrades.

My 2011 is going to remain my street car while the Cobra is going to be more of a track car.

 

[Mika]

These '11's are pretty darn stout. Makes me want one, big time.

Brembo's, HID's, and 3.73's is what I'd want in a GT. What was the MSRP, and if you don't mind asking what did you pay for it? Thanks.



Mika

 

[Entrenched]

2011

msrp: $36705
x-plan: $33420
Coupons & rebates: -$2050

 

[Mika]

Thanks man. I appreciate it. I'm sure you enjoy driving both of 'em. Quite a few people would love to be in your shoes. :beer:



Mika

 

[TVSCobra]

Good runs. Can the guy drive?

 

[BadBlue98GT]

Nice runs. There are going to be a bunch of demoniacal '11 GT's prowling the streets soon!

I just ran a guy that works for me that just bought an '11 GT (3.31's) in my Terminator on Thursday. We messed around for a bit on the highway and then exited onto another highway to go home. I thought he was going to make a right hand exit so I pulled alongside in the left lane in sixth gear going about 55. As we got even, he punched it so by the time I downshifted to third and nailed it, my front bumper was even with his rear. I immediately stopped his pull and started pulling back even. By the time I shifted to 4th I was ahead. I shut down at about 120 with me ahead by a car. If I had a 2.76 upper, I would have destroyed him. I was going to say that either your buddy can't drive or his car isn't putting down 458rwhp, but I just saw that you said his intercooler pump wasn't working. Explains it. The guy I raced also has a low 10 second foxbody so I know driving isn't what slowed him down.

 

[mysticalsnake]

actually, i think what explains it is only the minor difference in power the 2 cars are actually making. full bolt-on and tune 5.0's are no slouches by any means, and make it a driver's race with the slightly heavier and only making a little bit more horsepower terminators. About a 50lb. difference roughly and probably only in the neighborhood of around 20-30hp difference in the two. Makes the cars very evenly matched, in which case, the better driver will probably prevail.

And I don't know why people can't get traction in bolt-on and pullied cobras with Nitto drag radials. Maybe my car's just some kind of freak but first gear is the only gear I have a problem with making the numbers I am. I'm also on 100% stock rear suspension still, and if it's dry outside and I'm on a concrete surface, I can still launch at about 3K RPM and dead hook all the way through first and every other gear. :shrug:

 

[assasinator]

the termi can never lose.

 

[JPB]

actually, i think what explains it is only the minor difference in power the 2 cars are actually making.

I agree, but the intercooler pump wasn't working on the Cobra. That makes a huge difference. Especially on consecutive runs. Furthermore, the weight difference between the two was 180lbs if you count the extra person (with what the op said he weighed) in the Cobra. By the time they got to the sixth run where the passenger switched cars the Cobra was definately heat soaked for sure. Especially without an intercooler pump. My car lost 15rwhp when dynoed back to back from run one and two. I think my intercooler pump wasn't working either. So if you take everything into account it is easy to see why the Cobra got dominated.

1. Cobra weighs more even without the extra passenger
2. Cars should lay down similar power numbers within 30rwhp making it a drivers race
3. Cobra's intercooler pump wasn't working; making it loose rwhp with each run.

Having said that I'm super impressed with the 2011 GT's. They are impressive. However, I don't think this is a great judge of the two cars . The Cobra spun badly on the very first run allowing you to win and also heat soaking his car without the intercooler pump. From there it was down hill.

 

[Riddla]

Those 5.0s are really proving themselves. They are a drivers race with the Cobras in the first couple of races. After that the 5.0 has the advantage since the Cobras get heatsoaked.

Homerun Ford:rockon:

 

[JPB]

They are a drivers race with the Cobras in the first couple of races. After that the 5.0 has the advantage since the Cobras get heatsoaked.

I agree. I also wanted to add that the Cobra at the power level listed with a working IC pump it is going to be a drivers race. Another thing I've never understood is why people always put the extra person in the heavier car. You see Cobra's racing vettes all the time with extra passengers while the vette driver is alone. Never understand that...lets take the car with weight disadvantage and add some more. I bet a lot of people haven't even given it thought.

 

[Bdubbs]

actually, i think what explains it is only the minor difference in power the 2 cars are actually making. full bolt-on and tune 5.0's are no slouches by any means, and make it a driver's race with the slightly heavier and only making a little bit more horsepower terminators. About a 50lb. difference roughly and probably only in the neighborhood of around 20-30hp difference in the two. Makes the cars very evenly matched, in which case, the better driver will probably prevail.

And I don't know why people can't get traction in bolt-on and pullied cobras with Nitto drag radials. Maybe my car's just some kind of freak but first gear is the only gear I have a problem with making the numbers I am. I'm also on 100% stock rear suspension still, and if it's dry outside and I'm on a concrete surface, I can still launch at about 3K RPM and dead hook all the way through first and every other gear. :shrug:

Well one reason might be you live in texas where it's warmer. So the pavement is warmer. Thus giving you better traction. I think above you comparing stock vs stock?

The op car put down 391rwhp vs 458rwhp. That's a whopping 67rwhp and prolly 80-100lb-ft of tq.:shrug:

 

[mysticalsnake]

Well one reason might be you live in texas where it's warmer. So the pavement is warmer. Thus giving you better traction. I think above you comparing stock vs stock?

The op car put down 391rwhp vs 458rwhp. That's a whopping 67rwhp and prolly 80-100lb-ft of tq.:shrug:

It is warm here for about 8 months out of the year. (Today was odd though, late September and we didn't even hit 70* where I live) The time that I got to romp on the car on a nice concrete road it was only about 75* outside at the max, and the car and just barely warmed up while sitting in the parking lot after bowling. I had driven about 2/10ths of a mile whenever I came to a 3-way stop and with it deserted gave my friend a thrill since he had ridden with me since getting the car KB'd. It may have more to do with the fact that the car only gets driven to car meets and on the weekend and my tire pressure stays around 18-19psi when hot even out on the street :coolman:

I guess I don't see why people are amazed that the 5.0's are keeping up with the Terminators. I don't see it as a surprise. We've seen bolt-on, tune, tire cars crack into the 10's with some weight reduction. Then again, people are amazed whenever Heaton cars manage to get well into the 10's and some dipping in the 9's with bolt-on's and pullies with tunes and properly setup suspension and weight reduction. It's going to end up to the point where you'll hear the cobra guys saying "well, wait until I twin screw my car." To which a 5.0 guy can reply, "ok, let me just boost mine." and if the Cobra isn't pushing some decent boost then it's still going to be a driver's race. I think it's just time for people to wake up to the advances of technology and realize it's a good thing that what everyone can agree on being one of the best Mustangs ever made is starting to become old news. It means the brand we all follow and have a love for is making strides in the RIGHT direction. Regardless of how slow my terminator may seem to the newer mustangs as things advance even more, I'm glad to be put in that situation because now our base model GT's are able to keep up with what was the top of the line when it was out. :beer:

 

[Sliverstang]

I am the friend with the cobra that lost! That 5.0 is a beast. The only reason I had somebody riding with me is because I had to take my cuz home because he had been detailing my car. I don't know what happened I nailed all my shifts I guess his car is fast or my car is down on power no matter what he did out power me.

 

[jeffs]

People, cars are going to be faster and faster each year, by 2020, the average Terminator's going to be a good race for a N/A 4 popper getting 45mpg. I love my Terminator, but I will not be surprised on the day that a 2011+ mustang with a few good bolt ons whoops my ass, hell the six cylinders are now pretty stout! But you have to give credit to the new N/A 5.0 mustangs keeping up with a pretty darn stout vehicle. Yes, they are almost .5 liters larger in displacement, but no power adder and probably similar weight if not maybe a bit heavier than us. Wow, is all I have to say.

On another note, if I ever upgrade to a twin screw on my 04 Cobra and I get worked by a N/A 5.0, there will be a "Terminator for sale" folks, and I'll probably have the latest Mustang sitting in its place, soon to be smoked by the next generation of the Mustang!