Agreed. Nice post.
"13 GT500 vs ZL1 Track Test Inside Line
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Agreed. Nice post.
If the slalom was really a good way to determine the handling advantage than the advantage is barely negligible which is kind of funny when you think about it.
A IRS car with MRC Camaro barely out handles a Solid Rear Axle Mustang.
A IRS car with MRC Camaro barely out handles a Solid Rear Axle Mustang.
Anybody read the text from Inside Lines test??
Excerpt:
Did That Just Happen?
Nothing is more humbling than watching a car with 100 fewer horses and the extra weight of an NFL running back disappear into the distance on a back road. But that's exactly what happened when we brought the two cars together to establish which is the best-driving pony car ever. The answer, as improbable as it seemed, was as obvious as the Camaro's shrinking taillights.
The angriest Mustang in history, the car that had face-punched the ZL1 for months at auto shows and in Web forums was being systematically annihilated by that exact car. Every corner was another opportunity for the Camaro to drop trou and wave its giant bowtie-emblazoned butt in the GT500's face.
Either they are very biased......or we have an unforseen problem.
Excerpt:
Did That Just Happen?
Nothing is more humbling than watching a car with 100 fewer horses and the extra weight of an NFL running back disappear into the distance on a back road. But that's exactly what happened when we brought the two cars together to establish which is the best-driving pony car ever. The answer, as improbable as it seemed, was as obvious as the Camaro's shrinking taillights.
The angriest Mustang in history, the car that had face-punched the ZL1 for months at auto shows and in Web forums was being systematically annihilated by that exact car. Every corner was another opportunity for the Camaro to drop trou and wave its giant bowtie-emblazoned butt in the GT500's face.
Either they are very biased......or we have an unforseen problem.
Figure 8? :kaboom:
There is nothing to worry about. Im not saying the GT500 will beat the zl1 on every race track but going off skid pad g's and crowning the zl1 the champ is insane.
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if the zl1 truly beat the GT500 in the handling like they claim without any video or proof, i will believe it when I see it...
I've always said the ZL1 will be faster than the GT500 in the hands of shitty drivers. Edmunds just proved they are shitty drivers.
I am not certain I would use single file driving on curvy back roads as an indicator of a better handling car. That seems silly to me.
I am eager to see true road course times for each car, allthough they are not important to me. The only acion mine would ever see on that front would maybe a HPDE or something similar, leaving lap times irrelevant. .5 sec and 7+mph in the quarter equates to a very ugly street encounter, and the Z is going to need and upper, lower, intake, tune and HE just to keep up with a stock car.
I am eager to see true road course times for each car, allthough they are not important to me. The only acion mine would ever see on that front would maybe a HPDE or something similar, leaving lap times irrelevant. .5 sec and 7+mph in the quarter equates to a very ugly street encounter, and the Z is going to need and upper, lower, intake, tune and HE just to keep up with a stock car.
prediction of Randy Pobst impressions of the the two cars when MT tests them:
" The shelby is the best mustang to date, it has tons of power, connected to the road and lets you know when you make a mistake. Its a fun car to drive because you have to work at it. The best bang for the buck right now and im still amazed at how Ford gets this SRA to keep up with more advanced cars"
" The zl1 handles great and the MRC really is nice. This car is definitely more reserved for those drivers who dont want to work hard, and althought it felt more nimble on the turns, it felt detached. It also has gobs of power, but no where near the shelby. Best camaro to date and kudos to GM."
"all in all I would give the ease of driving edge to the zl1, but overall I rather have the shelby anyday. But if I had to choose a track car, I still take the Boss 302LS"
" The shelby is the best mustang to date, it has tons of power, connected to the road and lets you know when you make a mistake. Its a fun car to drive because you have to work at it. The best bang for the buck right now and im still amazed at how Ford gets this SRA to keep up with more advanced cars"
" The zl1 handles great and the MRC really is nice. This car is definitely more reserved for those drivers who dont want to work hard, and althought it felt more nimble on the turns, it felt detached. It also has gobs of power, but no where near the shelby. Best camaro to date and kudos to GM."
"all in all I would give the ease of driving edge to the zl1, but overall I rather have the shelby anyday. But if I had to choose a track car, I still take the Boss 302LS"
Yet Randy Pobst had some good things to say about the Camaro when he compared it to the Boss LS:
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca! - Head 2 Head Episode 3 - YouTube
It's not always about pure HP numbers since not everyone is a drag-race addict. The IRS will be back...
I only saw the video at first but man is the article not good for the GT500. Here I thought SVT said they fixed the shifting issues yet it seems people are still having them. Given both cars use the same trans how come the ZL1 isn't doing the grind/rejection going into gear? Very disappointing to say the least. I know many of you'll chalk it up to the InsideLine crew being bad drivers but many people on this same forum have had shifting issues and some of those folks are very good drivers.
Sounds like whoever wrote that has a giant chip on their shoulder and very much a GM ball swinger.
please quote these people who are complaining of shifting issues...the only ones Ive seen are owner admitted errors and one guy not happy with the sloppyness of the throws
This goes back to the 2010 model year. Maybe even earlier. There have been threads on this forum and others about the grind going into second.
ok correct me if im wrong....are we not talking about the 2013 GT500? 10-12' model years are well documented issues, so we are assuming those problems exist in the new set up?? :shrug:
:rockon: Oh yea, driver error, that's me!
It doesn't grind on me when I'm shifting unless I completely miss the gear, which I'm not at all afraid to admit I've done 4'or 5 times.
If you read the InsideLine Article which gets into more detail than just the video they talk about the 13 GT500 rejecting shifts and how the ZL1 was smooth.
Here I'll make it easy for you. Directly from the article.
"Specifically, that's an 11.9-second pass at 123.5 mph — an impressive number, but not an easy one to achieve. Our best run was made using the GT500's adjustable launch control set to only 3,000 rpm to accommodate our low-grip launch surface. Also, the GT500's shifter protested aggressive 1-2 shifts, sometimes rejecting 2nd gear altogether — a problem we've had when testing previous versions of the Ford Shelby GT500."
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thus far they are the only ones out of all tests to make those claims...if I see more and more then ill believe it...until then ill reserve judgement
A big +1 on that! Not to mention, Josh Jocquet is one of the worst "magazine" drivers out there. All in, though, I initially watched the video objectively until his closing statements. It was slathered with ZL1 bias! There was absolutely nothing in the video to support his claims. There must be some hidden footage that they're holding back from us or something. :shrug:
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