It just further proves that bench racing from magazines is bull. Get out there and do some independent tests!
Sick off all the Magazine's picking the ZL1........
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I would almost be embarrased if I was a ZL1 owner after reading that magazine nonsense. I'm sure deep down, most of those guys wished they owned the car described as "dangerous, violent, loud, intimidating, etc." That's what muscle cars are all about. The consensus for all those articles was the ZL1 is "better" because it's easier to live with on a daily basis. You might as well get a Cadillac CTS-V if that's what you are looking for in a car...it wins that contest hands down. For those interested in having a bad ass muscle car, cross shopping a Cadillac is NOT in the cards.
We'll just have to drive our second place GT500s.
I cant think of one car in the entire new car market that fits that description. And no I do not see the 2013 GT500 like that either. Truth is muscle cars are long gone and pony cars have taken over. I've driven multiple newer pony cars and none of them feel anything like raw power muscle cars.
I need to find an article I read a while back in which a magazine was reminiscing on how they chose a 1980 something Camaro as car of the year and how silly that choice was but they admittedly chose it because GM was advertsing with them heavily at the time. When/if I find it, I'll post it up. I agree with what others have stated (here and other forums), that the mags are biased, whether it be due to advertsing dollars and/or GM buyout.
I agree with this, except I would say a true automotive enthusiast, not just Mustang enthusiasts. Any enthusiast should appreciate this car given the numbers.
I agree with this, except I would say a true automotive enthusiast, not just Mustang enthusiasts. Any enthusiast should appreciate this car given the numbers.
Man, don't post shit like this. Who cares what the magazines write especially the opinons of some stinkin librool writer or wurst, some stinkin limey.
You can bet the majority of these mullet headed ZL1 owners would give up handling for what the 2013 GT500 has and when a 2013 pulls up beside their mobile bunker they'll ease off when the light changes like a 80 year old woman driving.
:lol: lmao!
Really? That comparison is BULL SHHEEEAAAAT.
Beating the 2013 GT500 at what? ZL1 owners know who their betters are, sonny.
I would never buy a car based on what anybody says. Too many people read/listen to media crap and then spew it as truth. I did not/would not consider a Camaro of any kind b/c I don't like the design, inside or out. Even if it were the "better" car by whatever measure, objective or subjective, it wouldn't make any difference. I bought the GT500 b/c it appealed to me on several levels, not b/c it's the best car out there. The ZL1's 2nd generation ride control should be better at trying to walk the line between street and track as our suspensions are old by comparison. Ours is firm & firmer but I like it that way. I'd like it if all testors agreed with me(us), but it doesn't change my opinion of our car or the ZL1. I didn't buy my car for anyone else but me and don't need validation from others to be secure in that.
Agreed. Neither the Camaro nor Mustang are muscle cars, especially the ZL1 & GT500. The ZL1 just happens to have a more refined suspension and in the opinions of the mags a better overall ride even though it's clearly slower. Nothing more, nothing less.
When you've driven ford all your life. You simply don't know any better. I can't blame the fanboys. They've only driven YEE hAW cars. Once you decide to step up and drive a real car, You'll realize living your life "a quarter mile at a time" is boring.
I judge cars not people. So keep personally attacking me, As I find it amusing :]
You can tell someone is truly hurt when they start insulting you over a forum, When you don't agree with the same materialistic item as they do.
Proceed...
I judge cars not people. So keep personally attacking me, As I find it amusing :]
You can tell someone is truly hurt when they start insulting you over a forum, When you don't agree with the same materialistic item as they do.
Proceed...
Oh man this should be priceless. Please regale us with your opinion of "a real car."
Because GM has yet to make any car that stands on top of any mountain alone. Well maybe the volt. But it stands on that mountain on fire. So lets call that one a tie.
I like both cars. I read the mags and watched the vids to get a feel for what's what, but make my own opinion after personal seat time (and because I like cars). I didn't see as anyone was trashing the ford (my fav of course) as a distant 2nd or anything. It was more the only criticism they had for either was the brakes in the GT500, at least in comparo to the camaro.
This isn't the first time though the mags have found one car to be faster/perform better than another, only to pick the slower car as their "overall winner." I'm not a conspiracy guy, but seems like they always give some ammo to both camps, giving both sides some bragging rights....and keeping sales up for all involved.
But I'm a vert guy so what the hell do I know.
This isn't the first time though the mags have found one car to be faster/perform better than another, only to pick the slower car as their "overall winner." I'm not a conspiracy guy, but seems like they always give some ammo to both camps, giving both sides some bragging rights....and keeping sales up for all involved.
But I'm a vert guy so what the hell do I know.
ZR1 in the 90's and today? Z06 in 2006 as perhaps the ultimate bang for you buck track car?
L88 Corvette: Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L88 Coupe
Honestly, pretty much the Corvette in general. There is nothing else like it.
You could certainly make a case for the original, or the "real" ZL1 in 1969: HowStuffWorks "1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1: A Profile of a Muscle Car"
There were some other good one's over time like the LS6 Chevelle, but I wouldn't say they stand on a mountain alone.
Ford GT > Vette > Mustang.
The corvette is an interesting car as it's in a bracket all by itself with no direct competition.
It's for sure a solid car and deserves its respect but it's only a hero in america. The rest of the world lawls at it.
SVTEVEN makes it seem like chevy is pumping out world changing cars on a daily basis which isn't the case at all.
The corvette is an interesting car as it's in a bracket all by itself with no direct competition.
It's for sure a solid car and deserves its respect but it's only a hero in america. The rest of the world lawls at it.
SVTEVEN makes it seem like chevy is pumping out world changing cars on a daily basis which isn't the case at all.
zr1, z06, zl1, and cts-v. If any of those cars are not impressive you are not a car guy.
Ford: Only has heavy live rear axle cars. At least GM gives you variety.
Enjoy your 1 trick pony. That's all you got. It's not a bad car, but don't try to compete when there is no competition. Chris Harris said it best "You can't make a car better just by throwing more hp at it." and that is clearly the case in Ford.
Let the flaming BEGIN! :] Truth hurts.
Ford: Only has heavy live rear axle cars. At least GM gives you variety.
Enjoy your 1 trick pony. That's all you got. It's not a bad car, but don't try to compete when there is no competition. Chris Harris said it best "You can't make a car better just by throwing more hp at it." and that is clearly the case in Ford.
Let the flaming BEGIN! :] Truth hurts.
Is your 'materialistic' inference that of the philosophy of materialism or simply with regard to the acquisition of material things? Just curious as to why you brought this into the discussion...
Yeah, I think you are right about the no competition...cause after the gt500 just DESTROYED the zl1 on the road course there really is NO competition for it.
It's quite interesting that it takes chev 4 cars to do what ford did with just one, one heavy live rear axle car.....
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Bingo. :thumbsup:
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